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NY Post: CHINA TESTS - AND TEAM BAM BLINKS

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  1. Angus

    Angus Active Member

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    CHINA TESTS - AND TEAM BAM BLINKS

    By PETER BROOKES

    Last updated: 3:37 am
    March 12, 2009
    Posted: 3:05 am
    March 12, 2009

    JUST two weeks after the Obama Pentagon crowed that the recent US-China military-to-military talks were practically the best ever, Beijing's navy confronted a US ship operating in international waters in the South China Sea.

    Talk about a cold, hard slap of reality.

    The naval affair was eerily reminiscent of the 2001 EP-3 incident, in which a clumsy Chinese fighter collided with a US Navy plane in the same area. Beijing dispatched five ships to shadow and intimidate the unarmed US research vessel, which was conducting ocean surveillance in the vicinity of Hainan Island off southern China. The flotilla came as close as 25 feet to the USNS Impeccable before finally backing off.

    The Chinese are not surprisingly nervous about US activities in the area. They're involved in a major naval build-up, especially on Hainan Island; as part of it, at least some of China's new Jin-class nuclear-powered ballistic-missile subs will make once-secret Sanya naval base their home port.

    According to a Pentagon report, the Jin-class submarine will carry the new JL-2 submarine-launched ICBM, capable of reaching the United States.

    Moreover, once at sea, the modern Jin-class subs, armed with the JL-2's, will be difficult to find and track, having a multiplier effect on China's existing land-based nuclear deterrent - and overall political and military clout.

    The incident is also symptomatic of increased Chinese muscle-flexing - both legally and militarily.

    Beijing claims Impeccable was violating its sovereignty by conducting operations within China's 200-mile Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) as identified under the United Nations' 1982 Law of the Sea Treaty. Thing is, the treaty doesn't give Beijing any right to veto activities outside their 12-mile territorial waters - and Impeccable was more than 60 miles beyond China's national waters.

    The treaty gives them a right to object to certain economic activities in their EEZ, such as drilling for oil/gas or fishing - but that right clearly doesn't extend to noneconomic activities, including military operations, in international waters.

    Then there's this week's congressional testimony from the new director of national intelligence, Dennis Blair, who watched China as commander of US Pacific Forces in recent years: He raised red flags about Beijing's increasing military aggressiveness in enforcing its national will.

    Then there's the hypocrisy in Chinese complaints about US operations. Beijing's spies may be the world's most active today - against the United States and others.

    Sure, China may not be parking a ship off the US naval base at Pearl Harbor - yet - but Chinese intel ops against US government, military and industrial targets using cyber and human spies are at record levels.

    The Chinese conduct aerial and maritime intel work against their neighbors, too, such as South Korea, Japan, Taiwan - and US forces in the region, sometimes infringing on those country's national waters or airspace.

    Another alarming element of the incident was the tepid US response. The Obama administration did nothing more than lodge a protest with the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Beijing and call their defense attaché here on the carpet. What's next - a really mean letter?

    Nope: After meeting with Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi yesterday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said they'd agreed "that we must work hard in the future to avoid such incidents and to avoid this particular incident having consequences that are unforeseen." That'll show 'em!

    The new team needs to realize that the United States must exercise its rights in international airspace and waters as we have done for years, including the right to monitor China's secretive and unprecedented military buildup - a significant worry to us and others.

    Of course, given the White House's softly-softly approach to international affairs, it's no wonder the Chinese felt it was time to test our mettle after years of relatively quiet relations during the Bush administration. Imagine what they - and others, such as North Korea, Russia and Iran - have now concluded.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/0312200.../china_tests___and_team_bam_blinks_159154.htm
  2. SuspectCorner

    SuspectCorner Bromo

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    The US vessel ended up turning the fire hoses on these Chines tubs - leading to the Chinese crews stripping down to their skivvies... now what the heck's that all about? An hommage to western culture and the movie "Flashdance", maybe? :confused:

    The US crew says they were in international waters but the Chinese are disputing...

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/942617.html
  3. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    TheyWERE in international waters whic h at most is 12 miles OFFSHORE.
    The so called exclusion zone deals with economic matters.
  4. SuspectCorner

    SuspectCorner Bromo

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    I already get it burm - this is one of those times we're prolly in complete agreement. Bet it makes ya feel all warm inside don't it?

    JK ya burmy...
  5. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    this is a possible sign of the apocalypse.....
  6. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    A Clinton is back in the major political mix, time to start sucking up to the Chinese again. They did after all finance Bill's Presidential campaign.
  7. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Yep Billie and Hilary and the chinks
  8. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:

    You're going to hear it for that one...
  9. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Perhaps they were in the Village People Navy?

    :eek::
  10. WarC

    WarC Active Member

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    China is not an enemy of the United States.

    We mutually economically dependent on one another.
  11. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    China is an enemy of the US. We may be mutually dependant on each other, economically, but they will still try to exert pressure on the US to try and force policy. I don't trust China any further then I can spit a pumpkin seed. Friends of the US do not test us in open waters. JMO.
  12. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    :laugh2: Oh my god! I cannot believe that was posted. How nieve are you really?

    My 8 year old even knows China is a Communist country and will try any way it sees fit to undermine any US policy in the world.



    Hilarious. Thanks for the Giggle drops.
  13. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    on June 21 1941 Russia and Germany were doing more business with each other then any other two countries in Europe. On June 22 Germany attacked Russia.
    Just a little historical perspective.

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