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Obama’s Birth Certificate Challenger Keeps Going

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by Bach, Nov 27, 2008.

  1. Bach

    Bach Benched

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    Obama’s Birth Certificate Challenger Keeps Going

    You've got to hand it to Philip J. Berg: he doesn't give up easily. You might recall that Philadelphia attorney Berg tried, and failed, to halt the presidential election of Barack Obama on the grounds that he is not a native-born citizen. Game over, right? Wrong.

    Berg filed a writ of certiorari to the U.S. Supreme Court in late October, asking that the highest court review the decision of the U.S. District Court in Pennsylvania. The latter court dismissed Berg's claims because he lacked standing to bring them. Standing requires plaintiffs to prove they are directly affected by the issue at hand, with evidence of injury that is concrete and particular. In its decision the district court said Berg "does not, and we believe cannot, establish injury in fact." It also dismissed his claims as frivolous.

    Berg takes this in stride. His writ, he says, requires Obama and the Democratic National Council to respond by December 1. Also, he has another arrow in his quiver. He's filed in the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., under the False Claims Act, which is often used in Medicaid fraud. "I am basing this on the fact that as a U.S. senator [Obama] is collecting money illegally because he is not a citizen of this country," he says.

    One of the pillars of Berg's argument is that Obama doesn't have a legally-valid U.S. birth certificate because he was born in Kenya. Though debunking specialists from Snopes.com and Factcheck.org have asserted the validity of a birth certificate released by the Obama campaign and affirmed by the State of Hawaii, Berg remains unconvinced. Factcheck.org, he said, is suspect because it is run by a group called Annenberg of Chicago, where Obama once sat on a board with William Ayers. Snopes.com worked off the same false document, he said.

    Brooks Jackson, director of Factcheck.org, admits that his group is a part of the Annenberg Public Policy Center, but says the Obama board connection is a canard.

    The only connection Obama had with Annenberg came in 1995 through 1999 when the president-elect was the board chairman for The Annenberg Challenge in Chicago. The Challenge was charged with distributing $49 million in order to improve public education.

    "The connection with us is that Obama was the board chairman of a group that benefited from Annenberg's philanthropy years before we came into existence," Jackson says. "Somehow that was twisted into Obama sat on our board." Factcheck.org, in fact, does not have a board of directors.

    The seeming last word on the subject came from Dr. Chiyome ***ino, the director of Hawaii's department of health. On October 31 she issued a press release stating that she had personally seen and verified that Hawaii's state department of health has Obama's original birth certificate on record.

    Berg responds that nowhere does the press release say this original certificate is actually American. Instead, he says, the certificate in Hawaii's vaults is from Kenya.

    Hawaii's answer to this will surely fuel more fires. "Unfortunately the way state laws are written we are not allowed to confirm vital information and vital records," said Janice Okubo, a spokeswoman for Hawaii's department of health. "I cannot confirm individual information because that is against the law."

    She added, though, that Dr. ***ino does have authority over and maintains records for individuals born in Hawaii.

    --David Serchuk

    http://blogs.forbes.com/trailwatch/2008/11/obamas-birth--1.html
  2. MetalHead

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    The crazy thing about this is that the media looked the other way.
    His grandma says he was born in Kenya,his sister claims he was born in a hospital in Hawaii,he claims he was born in Hawaii,but in a different hospital.
    The best one is that the border design on the birth certificate does not match the year he was born.

    Shady.
  3. CowboyPrincess

    CowboyPrincess Priceless

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    How is it that he isn't directly affected. We are all affected if it is found that the man elected to be president isn't a natural born citizen. He will be the man in charge of decisions involving us US citizens directly. He will be deciding the fate of our military, SSI, healthcare, economy, justice system, etc. If he isn't a natural born citizen, I don't want him making those decisions for me or my family and friends. No I didn't want him for president and you may think this bias, but if he had been a conservative, I would still feel the same way and so would the liberals. The dems would have been ALL over this if his party affiliation had been different. And none of you can say differently and be honest
  4. Phrozen Phil

    Phrozen Phil Active Member

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    :horse: :horse: :horse: I realize that this will not deter you guys from pursuing this red herring, but hey, at least it keeps you away from your guns...
  5. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    Obama's mother is a natural born U.S. citizen, so Obama would be a natural born citizen no matter where he was born.

    There is a reason that the main stream media or for that matter most reasonable people aren't jumping over this. It is not a real story. He was born in Hawaii and provided his birth certificate. There is nothing else there. If there was it would have come out years ago.
  6. Rogah

    Rogah Well-Known Member

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    Of course, if Obama is inaugurated and then found to be Constitutionally ineligible to be President, Joe Biden takes over immediately. :eek:
  7. The30YardSlant

    The30YardSlant Benched

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    Not true
  8. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    Incorrect. Also, if his father had him in a muslim school there is a good chance he would have had to renounce any ties with any nation not embracing the muslim ideals.

    Further, I think Obama is ineligible for another reason. In order for him to be sworn in to office, he must take an oath that specifically states that he will "support and defend the Constitution". He has already stated that he doesn't support parts of the Constitution. His own statements disqualify him.

    So you may call the birth certificate thing a red herring, (which it is a valid argument) but you can't ignore his own statements.
  9. bobtheflob

    bobtheflob New Member

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    Here's the fallacy here. There's ample evidence that Obama was born in the US. There are many pieces of evidence that prove this. But some people who don't like him do everything they can to find the smallest scraps that support their claim. If htis was legit, don't you think it would have been discovered by one of his opponents? Do you realize how much oppo research was done on him?

    This is almost the same thing as the people who say the government planned 9/11.
  10. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    He has already taken the oath of office for a senator, which is pretty close to the same oath the president takes.

    "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."

    http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Oath_Office.htm
  11. bobtheflob

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    So was Bush disqualified for supporting a constitutional ammendment banning same sex marriage? That was Bush admiting that he thought the Constitution wasn't perfect and needed to be changed.
  12. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    Jesus, how dumb. I can't believe someone is actually hanging onto this.
  13. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    I think he is ineligible for that as well. Doesn't change anything.
  14. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    No. Since there have been people perverting the constitution for years with the gay agenda, there needs to be clarification on what the founding Fathers had in mind.

    Only a a leftist wouldn't understand this.
  15. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    Explain exactly why is it dumb to want to know if he is a natural born American since it is a qualification for being President?
  16. Maikeru-sama

    Maikeru-sama Mick Green 58

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    :hammer:

    They hate the fact that Barack Obama is going to be the President of the United States.

    Expect this stupid rhetoric to continue throughout Barack Obama's tenure in office.
  17. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    :hammer: :rolleyes:

    So no one has the right to question this guy because why?

    Why don't we have that right, especially when he has so much to question.

    You can call it stupid, but because the left's messiah was elected doesn't mean we stick our heads in the sand to his issues.

    Remember, 56 million people didn't vote for him.
  18. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    It's going to be at least four years of torture for people like this.

    Good.

    :laugh2:
  19. bobtheflob

    bobtheflob New Member

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    I guess I just don't understand. I always thought the founders didn't include anything about marriage in the constitution because they thought it should be decided upon by the individual states. I guess I've just been wrong this whole time...

    Would you have a nice excuse for every single president who was elected with the promise of an amendment as part of his platform?

    I think it's funny that in a thread proposing a ridiculously extreme idea that's supported by only a few people you're arguing that the other side is extreme on this issue.
  20. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    You can question him all you want. I encourage questioning of leaders who deserve it but to hang on to the BC angle is just ridiculous.

    I don't care what side you root for, to actually use this in any fashion is just absurd.

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