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Obama Bows to Saudi King

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by ABQCOWBOY, Apr 8, 2009.

  1. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    he's on ignore. and when i see people rely and he's off being "tyke" again, yea. i respond. if that means open up another one i'm TRYING to ignore, i do.

    he's really set in his ways, that's for sure.
  2. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    Might have been a TO thread, but right now I see the post your picture thread in the member zone is closing in on 1500 posts.
  3. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Do it for the Vine! Staff Member

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    Quite a few people are.

    If nothing else, I do appreciate that he can actually participate in a discussion without the falling back to personal attacks.

    I don't have to agree with a person's position to appreciate a good discussion.
  4. ScipioCowboy

    ScipioCowboy More than meets the eye. Zone Supporter

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    I would add that Neoconservatives also believe in bigger federal government and copious amounts of federal spending. But I'm not sure I agree with the assessment that this board is dominated by neocons. Who are they?

    Another question for you: Is Pat Buchanan a neoconservative?:D


    It's the responsibility of the interviewer to exercise sound journalistic practices, and ask pertinent questions with clear meanings. It's not Palin's responsibility to atone for the shoddy and lazy research performed by journalists.

    If she had gone the route you're suggesting, the outcome would've been the same. Her opponents would have chided her for "shotgunning" an answer--throwing out a variety of responses and hoping something would stick.

    Although Krauthammer originated the term, he doesn't have a monopoly on its usage. He can explain Bush doctrine as he conceives of it, but he obviously cannot acccount for its usage in every possible setting. As I said earlier, Bush doctrine is an amorphous term whose meaning is almost entirely contingent upon the person asking the question. Palin was well within her boundaries asking for clarification, in my opinion.

    Now, some of your other criticisms are justified, such as her inability to list Supreme Court Cases; however, in my opinion, this is no worse than Biden's gaffe concerning the Stock Market Crash.
  5. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    Is it better to be a neo conservative or a neo socialist?
  6. ScipioCowboy

    ScipioCowboy More than meets the eye. Zone Supporter

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    Who started these bailouts? Perhaps the terms are synonymous.:p:
  7. Rogah

    Rogah Well-Known Member

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    It has been my experience that "neo-conservative" is a term used by left-leaning members to describe right-leaning members with whom they disagree. And let's face it... it is usually used in a derogatory manner. I don't think I have ever seen anyone step up and describe themselves with that term. Meanwhile, there seems to be absolutely no consensus whatsoever on what a neo-Conservative actually is :D

    Tyke1doe gave a definition (presumably from Wikipedia, which I hardly consider a definitive source) but I can assure you that I have seen the term used many, many times in ways that are not consistent with that definition. So I'll stick with the much more familiar terms "conservative" and "liberal". Or, for those who prefer, "wingnut" and "moonbat." :D
  8. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    Yeah but you can't really count that thread. Half of the posts are the one's that say, "Geez, Brain is ugly!" :D
  9. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    They only say that when their significant other is standing over their shoulder.:p:
  10. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    Oh.the.irony. :laugh2:
  11. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    You asked my definition of a "neo-conservative" and I gave you my definition.

    As for who they are on this board, I don't need to identify them. Just scan threads where posters defend the Iraqi War by reasons such as ... it was the right thing to do, or to rid an evil dictator or to spread democracy.

    You'll find your answer.

    Uh, no. Sara Palin was vying for the vice presidential candidacy. It was her responsibility to convince the American public she knew what she was talking about or could grasp geo-political issues. She wasn't some homemaker being asked her opinion of Bush or the Bush Doctrine.

    She clearly didn't know what she was talking about. You ask any other knowledgeable politician the same question, and he/she elaborates with ... "Which aspect. The ... aspect or the ... aspect."

    You're covering for Palin's lazy and shoddy knowledge. Gibson wasn't seeking to become vice president. Palin was.

    LOL!

    No, not if she had a command of the subject. People who are knowledgeable about a given subject aren't caught in traps as easily as those who have little knowledge of a given subject. That Palin couldn't even give one aspect of the Bush Doctrine was very telling.

    Your assessment conflicts with another perception of Palin - she isn't well read. It's interesting that Katie Couric asked her what publications she read, and she couldn't give any. If Palin were well read, she would have known the most common use of the term "the Bush Doctrine." Even if I granted you that the "Bush Doctrine" is an amorphous term, in general discussion, it has be used to describe the belief that America can attack a nation simply because of a perceived threat. If Palin simply "err" on the side of general use, she would have been correct and would have avoided much of the second-guessing with respect to her knowledge on the issue. But she didn't even do that. And that goes back to the magazine question. She wasn't even in tune with how most general readers defined "the Bush Doctrine."

    It would be like me asking you, please tell me what you think about the "Goodell Approach," and you responded "What aspect?"

    Well, Goodell has done many things, but the primary/general approach he has taken is to suspend players involved in misconduct off the field.

    If you never answered the most basic understanding of the "Goodell Approach" I, and probably every other football fan, would question whether you followed the NFL under Goodell.

    For you to not answer the question and merely repeat "which aspect" would be very telling.

    There's a difference between a gaffe and ignorance. What Biden had going for him that Palin didn't is that he is a senior member of Congress. But he's not the topic here.
  12. tyke1doe

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    Well, he did ask me for my definition. That's how I used the term.

    I made the distinction because "conservative" and "liberal" are often too general.

    Whether you agree or not, I consider myself a conservative. But as I've said, I'm more of a social conservative than I am a fiscal conservative - even though I understand and embrace fiscal conservatism on certain issues and certain points.
    But I would not be a neo-conservative or a hawk because I don't believe the United States should wage war without a clearly defined threat to its interest or the interest of the world.

    I applied the term "neo-conservative" with respect to war. Others may view it differently. But, again, I was asked to give my definition of the term, which also is the view of many others, though some here would disagree.
  13. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    :clap:

    Agreed.
  14. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    Not to be a pecker head, but just to set something straight. You might be bagging on Tyke and that is ok. But he is right in at least one aspect in what he has said in this thread.

    You can not have him on ignore and do a direct reply to his post. You can only see his post if someone else replies to it but that point becomes moot if you do a direct reply to his post. And you have indeed done direct replies to his post and I can see that as a normal poster but can also go in and look at it as a mod and see the proof that it was a direct quote. Now one could argue that you just copied and pasted one of his posts from some who replied to him, but that too does not wash in at least two cases in this thread as there is also another way of seeing, as a mod, if someone has directly quoted someone or just copied and pasted from another posters reply.

    So you might have him on ignore until you see someone else reply to him and maybe at that time take him off ignore and then reply.

    But you can not keep him on ignore the whole time and than do a direct reply to one of his posts. At least not a way that I know of at this time.
  15. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    :laugh2:
    :clap:

    We need a <pwned> smilie. :D
  16. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    read my quote again bp - i said i do take the convo off ignore for a bit when i see something so ... "silly" flash by. so i *never* said he wasn't right, just jumped to yet another conclusion and got all giggly.
  17. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    we need a "you can't comprehend a damn thing" smile. tell me where i said i never took that part of the convo off ignore in order to do a direct reply after being sucked in by your 'sillyness'?

    i didn't.
  18. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    Again not to be a pecker head but I just was not sure when I read this...could be taken in a multitude of ways

    That is why I added that caveat that you could be taking him off ignore when you see his replies...because I honestly was not sure exactly what you were saying by that post.

    Either way...not sure one should talk about someone being on their ignore list, possibly bragging about it or baiting someone with it, only to take them off ignore to reply to them. Just kind of defeats the purpose IMO.
  19. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Do it for the Vine! Staff Member

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    Indeed... if I ever step down as a mod, which would be a great day in Zone land for some, I'd fill up my ignore list so fast, the keyboard would be smoking.

    For now, I just have to manually ignore folks.
  20. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    I envy those who have the ability to put people on ignore, so I too would be loading up the ignore list.

    For now...I either get too bored or too surly to let some things go. I have my times where I just step away after getting my fill of arguing though.:D

    But it is just hard to quit the loves of my life...Like that sexy libby lover Burm.:laugh2:

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