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Obama courts the Jewish vote

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  1. zrinkill

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    McCain presses foreign policy

    Jon Ward THE WASHINGTON TIMES
    Thursday, June 5, 2008



    the Jewish vote.


    The Illinois Democrat criticized his Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, for supporting the Iraq war, which Mr. Obama said has made the U.S. and Israel more vulnerable to terrorism and the threat of a nuclear-armed Iran.
    "Because of the war in Iraq, Iran, which always posed a greater threat to Israel than Iraq, is emboldened and poses the greatest strategic challenge, to the United States and Israel in the Middle East, in a generation," Mr. Obama said in remarks to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee's annual national conference in Washington.


    Mr. Obama also sought to ease doubts about his support for Israel by staking out the hardline pro-Israeli position that Jerusalem must remain the Jewish state's capital and cannot be divided between Israel and the Palestinians.


    Mr. McCain, speaking to reporters in Baton Rouge, La., sought to turn the issue of foreign policy to his advantage.


    The Arizona Republican said that many supporters of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Mr. Obama's vanquished Democratic primaries foe, "don't want us to sit down with [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad and other tyrants, don't want us to set a date for withdrawal and declare defeat in Iraq."


    The AIPAC crowd of about 7,000 inside the Washington Convention Center responded enthusiastically to Mr. Obama's speech, applauding and cheering throughout and giving him several standing ovations.


    Mr. Obama has been hounded for much of the past year by questions about his commitment to defending Israel, partly because his former pastor has made anti-Israel comments.


    Mr. McCain trailed Mr. Obama in the latest poll of Jewish voters by a 2-to-1 margin, but his 32 percent was the highest level of support since President Reagan received 40 percent of the vote in a 1980 poll.


    Early Wednesday, the McCain campaign began launching attacks on Mr. Obama's foreign policy positions.


    This touched off a back and forth between the two campaigns throughout the day, a sign the general election had quickly shifted into high gear.
    The first McCain release attacked Mr. Obama for not voting in favor of a resolution last September that would have designated Iran's Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization.


    The Obama campaign fired back that the Democrat's opposition to the Kyl-Lieberman Amendment has always been based on their concern it would give the president authority to use military force against Iran.


    "But if you look at the Kyl-Lieberman Amendment as it was passed, it has none of that in it, regarding military action," said Sen. Joe Lieberman, Connecticut independent, one of the nation's foremost Jewish politicians, who is a strong McCain backer.


    Mr. Lieberman, who was Vice President Al Gore's running mate in 2000, batted down Mr. Obama's assertion that the invasion of Iraq led to the support in Iran of hard-line leaders like Mr. Ahmadinejad.


    "If Israel is in danger today, it's not because of American foreign policy, which has been strongly supportive of Israel in every way, it is not because of what we have done in Iraq," Mr. Lieberman said on a conference call organized by the McCain campaign. "It is because Iran is a fanatical terrorist, expansionist state and has a leader and a leadership that constantly threatens to extinguish the state of Israel."



    http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jun/05/obama-courts-the-jewish-vote/
  2. CanadianCowboysFan

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    here some thought he would be different than other politicians.
  3. Heisenberg

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    There are certain areas where you can't be different and still get the voting blocs you need to win.

    If he had anything but a hard pro-Israel lean, he'd never have a shot in a state such as Florida with a large Jewish population. I'm not sure how much of a shot he really has there anyway, but regardless...
  4. DFWJC

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    Point is....he really does not care AT ALL about Isreal, but knows this is a key issue and question mark for him.
  5. BrAinPaiNt

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    Why does this shock anyone?

    I don't care if they are the leftist of lefties or the righest of righties...they will ALWAYS support Israel. That is just a given no matter how people try to spin one party or the other. It is one of the few areas they ever agree about.
  6. CanadianCowboysFan

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    Brain, or it's the area they have to agree on. It is almost like the Israel lobby in the US runs the country.
  7. zrinkill

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    :rolleyes:
  8. CanadianCowboysFan

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    your best response ever.
  9. zrinkill

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    What can be said about your big Jewish conspiracies .... typical from you.
  10. BrAinPaiNt

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    I won't say any jewish people have NO control over the US government but I think it is a stretch to think they run the government or dictate it.

    It is simple as the US having a POWERFUL ally in the middle east.

    They are not going to disrupt that even if they deal with Saudi and see them as someone they will overlook issues do to business reasons.

    Israel will always be an ally to the US. And any politician worth his or her salt knows it.

    This has nothing to do with some conspiracy that the jewish control the world, the us or the government.
  11. zrinkill

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    CanadaBoyFan just cannot decide in what way he distrusts Israel.

    Some days he says they are the United States lapdogs .....

    Sometimes he says they secretly control us .....

    Which is it? In what way are those mean old Jews exploiting us.

    ;)
  12. CanadianCowboysFan

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    It is both.

    The US President cannot get elected if he dares crap on Israel or even worse not say they are the greatest country on the planet.

    However, Israel will not go to war without the US' approval. However, they are usually able to convince US politicians through the powerful Israel lobby that going that Israel going to war is in the US' best interest.

    Wouldn't you prefer spending the billions you send to Israel on domestic issues?

    Maybe a better way to look at it is as follows:

    What does the US get out of its relationship with Israel?
  13. BrAinPaiNt

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    No President in the election is stupid enough to crap on Israel. It would be stupid.

    I would prefer to spend more on domestic issues. However I would also not like to send weapons to Saudi Arabia. Would not like to spend m/billions on a war in Iraq. I would prefer not to be borrowing butt loads of money from China. There are a lot of areas I would rather take money from to be used here in the USA...not just Israel.

    What does the US get out of the relationship with Israel? It is pretty simple. We get a country with Nukes, who has a powerful army that is a very strong ally in the the middle east. It is the one country in the middle east that I think we have a true trusting relationship that is not built on the business of oil.

    Israel and the US has a very strong relationship and it is for good reason. Because we support each other in different areas. It is not a situation where we have tried to prop up governments in their country. It is not a situation where we have only used them to keep another country out of their country. It is not a situation where we do business with them for oil reasons.

    This is not some conspiracy theory IMO. It is not a group of powerful rich stereotypical jews with power yarmulkes controlling the US government. Nor is the US government controlling Israel. It is a working relationship that is beneficial to each side due to where Israel is and the power Israel has in that area.

    It would be stupid not to work with Israel.
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  15. zrinkill

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    "The struggle for world domination will be fought entirely between us, between Germans and Jews. All else is facade and illusion. Behind England stands Israel, and behind France, and behind the United States."

    :eek:

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