Obama left with little time to curb global warming

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  1. sacase

    sacase Well-Known Member

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    Time to get things back to normal with an old friend....

    [FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif]Obama left with little time to curb global warming[/FONT]

    WASHINGTON (AP) - When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore. Now it is a ticking time bomb that President-elect Barack Obama can't avoid.

    Since Clinton's inauguration, summer Arctic sea ice has lost the equivalent of Alaska, California and Texas. The 10 hottest years on record have occurred since Clinton's second inauguration. Global warming is accelerating. Time is close to running out, and Obama knows it.

    "The time for delay is over; the time for denial is over," he said on Tuesday after meeting with former Vice President Al Gore, who won a Nobel Peace Prize for his work on global warming. "We all believe what the scientists have been telling us for years now that this is a matter of urgency and national security and it has to be dealt with in a serious way."

    But there are powerful political and economic realities that must be quickly overcome for Obama to succeed. Despite the urgency he expresses, it's not at all clear that he and Congress will agree on an approach during a worldwide financial crisis in time to meet some of the more crucial deadlines.

    Obama is pushing changes in the way Americans use energy, and produce greenhouse gases, as part of what will be a massive economic stimulus. He called it an opportunity "to re-power America."

    After years of inaction on global warming, 2009 might be different. Obama replaces a president who opposed mandatory cuts of greenhouse gas pollution and it appears he will have a willing Congress. Also, next year, diplomats will try to agree on a major new international treaty to curb the gases that promote global warming.

    "We need to start in January making significant changes," Gore said in a recent telephone interview with The Associated Press. "This year coming up is the most important opportunity the world has ever had to make progress in really solving the climate crisis."

    Scientists are increasingly anxious, talking more often and more urgently about exceeding "tipping points."

    "We're out of time," Stanford University biologist Terry Root said. "Things are going extinct."

    U.S. emissions have increased by 20 percent since 1992. China has more than doubled its carbon dioxide pollution in that time. World carbon dioxide emissions have grown faster than scientists' worst-case scenarios. Methane, the next most potent greenhouse gas, suddenly is on the rise again and scientists fear that vast amounts of the trapped gas will escape from thawing Arctic permafrost.

    The amount of carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere has already pushed past what some scientists say is the safe level.

    In the early 1990s, many scientists figured that the world was about a century away from a truly dangerous amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, said Mike MacCracken, who was a top climate scientist in the Clinton administration. But as they studied the greenhouse effect further, scientists realized that harmful changes kick in at far lower levels of carbon dioxide than they thought. Now some scientists, but not all, say the safe carbon dioxide level for Earth is about 10 percent below what it is now.

    Gore called the situation "the equivalent of a five-alarm fire that has to be addressed immediately."

    Scientists fear that what's happening with Arctic ice melt will be amplified so that ominous sea level rise will occur sooner than they expected. They predict Arctic waters could be ice-free in summers, perhaps by 2013, decades earlier than they thought only a few years ago.

    In December 2009, diplomats are charged with forging a new treaty replacing the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which set limits on greenhouse gases, and which the United States didn'tratify. This time European officials have high expectations for the U.S. to take the lead. But many experts don't see Congress passing a climate bill in time because of pressing economic and war issues.

    "The reality is, it may take more than the first year to get it all done," Senate Energy Committee Chairman Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M., said recently.

    Complicating everything is the worldwide financial meltdown. Frank Maisano, a Washington energy specialist and spokesman who represents coal-fired utilities and refineries, sees the poor economy as "a huge factor" that could stop everything. That's because global warming efforts are aimed at restricting coal power, which is cheap. That would likely mean higher utility bills and more damage to ailing economies that depend on coal production, he said.

    Obama is stacking his Cabinet and inner circle with advocates who have pushed for deep mandatory cuts in greenhouse gas pollution and even with government officials who have achieved results at the local level.

    The President-elect has said that one of the first things he will do when he gets to Washington is grant California and other states permission to control car tailpipe emissions, something the Bush administration denied.

    And though congressional action may take time, the incoming Congress will be more inclined to act on global warming. In the House, liberal California Democrat Henry Waxman's unseating of Michigan Rep. John Dingell - a staunch defender of Detroit automakers - as head of the House Energy and Commerce Committee was a sign that global warming will be on the fast track.

    Senate Environment and Public Works Chairman Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., vowed to push two global warming bills starting in January: one to promote energy efficiency as an economic stimulus and the other to create a cap-and-trade system to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from utilities. "The time is now," she wrote in a Dec. 8 letter to Obama.

    Mother Nature, of course, is oblivious to the federal government's machinations. Ironically, 2008 is on pace to be a slightly cooler year in a steadily rising temperature trend line. Experts say it's thanks to a La Nina weather variation. While skeptics are already using it as evidence of some kind of cooling trend, it actually illustrates how fast the world is warming. The average global temperature in 2008 is likely to wind up slightly under 57.9 degrees Fahrenheit, about a tenth of a degree cooler than last year. When Clinton was inaugurated, 57.9 easily would have been the warmest year on record. Now, that temperature would qualify as the ninth warmest year.
  2. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    This is gonna make Brainpaint's day.
  3. iceberg

    iceberg winter??? RUN AWAY RUN AWAY!!! Zone Supporter

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    and since gore makes crap up to fit his views, he's the last one with any crediblity in all this we should listen to. he's trying to keep his million $$$ talk circuit going as long as he can milk it so he can keep paying for the power consumption in his own home.
  4. jimmy40

    jimmy40 Well-Known Member

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    We just had 2 inches of snow on the ground in Bryan Texas. I haven't seen that since the '80s. Global warming? Seemed pretty damn cold to me.
  5. ThaBigP

    ThaBigP New Member

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    Darn...was just about to post that. But on a completely unrelated note...

    Recent rapid declines in oil prices indicate the degree to which oil prices are skyrocketing...

    Recent collapse in home prices hide the fact that home prices have shot upward at an alarming rate...

    And the stupidity displayed by penning such logical torture as "Mother Nature, of course, is oblivious to the federal government's machinations. Ironically, 2008 is on pace to be a slightly cooler year in a steadily rising temperature trend line. Experts say it's thanks to a La Nina weather variation. While skeptics are already using it as evidence of some kind of cooling trend, it actually illustrates how fast the world is warming" is actually proof positive of vast intellect and wisdom...
  6. ThaBigP

    ThaBigP New Member

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    On a serious note, the only people who predicted this cooling shock with uncanny accuracy are not the eggheads taking government money to endlessly parade the crisis of global warming, but rather scientists who've been watching the sun slowly go to sleep over the last couple of years. They indicated back then that if the decline in solar activity and sunspots continues, it will mean a deep and rapid cooling of the planet. This, by the way, happened to follow a period of high solar activity...which...and I'm sure this is completely unrelated...just happened to itself coincide with the warming trend we witnessed in the '90s. But after all...the word "coincide" is merely a variation of the word "coincidence".
  7. Sasquatch

    Sasquatch Lost in the Woods

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    Yeah, he's been deprived too long. :laugh2:
  8. ScipioCowboy

    ScipioCowboy More than meets the eye.

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    Gore is Ed Werder?:eek:
  9. Kangaroo

    Kangaroo Active Member

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    LOL global warming the myth

    I find it funny despite all this rhetoric and wasted money spenttrying to tell us different most people in the US do not believe in Global warming. There is suppose to be some survey out there that says less than 20% of Americans believe in Global Warming.

    I do have questions for Al Gore and his crowd; We know the earth changes with out us over time and at a gradual state. I mean the ice age happened with us or did we cause it and we just do not know we caused it :rolleyes:

    I mean the earth has been changing for millions of years but I am sure we caused all that to :banghead:
  10. Viper

    Viper Active Member

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    UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

    Study: Half of warming due to Sun! –Sea Levels Fail to Rise? - Warming Fears in 'Dustbin of History'

    POZNAN, Poland - The UN global warming conference currently underway in Poland is about to face a serious challenge from over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe who are criticizing the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. Set for release this week, a newly updated U.S. Senate Minority Report features the dissenting voices of over 650 international scientists, many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN. The report has added about 250 scientists (and growing) in 2008 to the over 400 scientists who spoke out in 2007. The over 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.

    The U.S. Senate report is the latest evidence of the growing groundswell of scientific opposition rising to challenge the UN and Gore. Full Report Set To Be Released in the Next 24 Hours – Stay Tuned…

    A hint of what the upcoming report contains:

    “I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

    “Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

    "Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.
  11. DaBoys4Life

    DaBoys4Life Benched

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    Global Warming is a myth.
  12. MetalHead

    MetalHead Benched

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    Global warming is a joke.
  13. burmafrd

    burmafrd Benched

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    Unfortunately the joke might be on us if Obama uses GW to appease the hard left and starts doing all those stupid things the moron gore wants.
  14. Kangaroo

    Kangaroo Active Member

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    Come on DaBoys4life you know we caused the ice age and the extinction of Dinosaurs:D
  15. adamc91115

    adamc91115 New Member

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    Its a myth that has been debunked time after time.

    Why can't people just let this thing die?
  16. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    Man I hope he does something about it FAST, I mean that snow they got in South Louisiana and Texas only lasted a day.

    Things are really heating up.

  17. masomenos

    masomenos Less is more

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    First, I'd like to see the survey that claims that.

    Second, who cares what American's think? Perception does not determine reality. In 1920, how many American's would have said that cigarettes were linked to lung cancer? General perception must be correct!


    Global warming is happening. Is it something that is created by man? No. Do we contribute to it, yes. Think about all the ecosystems of the world and the effect that man has had on them, and it is entirely illogical to assume that a multitude of micro-eco changes do not result in a macro-eco change. How can people really believe that we're not a contributing factor when we are creating toxicity at a rate that has never before been seen? I am by no means a tree hugger but how can people not see the effect that is caused be increased deforestation and increased pollutants.

    It's so ridiculous that this has become a political issue. Guys like Al Gore have to shoulder a lot of the blame. We're not all going to die in 10 years because the ocean level rises 50 feet. That is a stupid claim. Will we feel some effects of global warming? Sure. This is a typical case where neither extreme is right and the answer lies in the middle. Does everyone have to start composting their own feces? No. Should we look for more energy effecient solutions? Yes.

    I understand the resistance to the "E" movement. It's largely caused by over exaggerated claims. That doesn't mean that nothing is happening though. Evolution, or change, or what ever you want to call it, occurs over long periods of time. Generations have to be able to adapt at a rate which ensures their survival. Natural global warming is something that the majority of species could hold up to, unless it reached a tipping point where only a few could survive. With our contributions to global warming many species are unable to cope with the change. The "tipping point" has been moved.
  18. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    The audacity of dopes... The title is as ridiculous as the sentiment behind it; as if the world is actually warming up, anything the President elect can do will stop it.

    People are so arrogant.
  19. Rogah

    Rogah Well-Known Member

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    I read a quote once. I wish I could remember who wrote it so that I could give proper attribution, but it goes something like this:

    When we have a warmer than normal year, the global warming alarmists use that as evidence to support their cause. When we have a cooler than normal year, the global warming alarmists use that as evidence to support their cause. And when we have a perfectly normal year, the global warming alarmists use that as evidence to support their cause because, as everyone knows, the climate is supposed to be in a constant state of flux.
  20. Kangaroo

    Kangaroo Active Member

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    Look I am not anti environment and I never claimed to be extreme the other way but that is what happens and cause the Political issues. I just grow tired of the Global warming BS crammed down our throats like it is a gospel when it is a bunch of overblown hogwash.

    Can man effect things sure can but in the end the Earth wins because it can heal itself it just takes a few millions years to accomplish it.

    Should we do things to try and limit the impact ?yes; but like the earth it takes time; money and some effort. Cars became more fuel inefficient as technology got better and it became cost effective to implement the new technology. The Al Gore's of the world would cause more harm then good and want the radical change all at once dam the consequences.

    It is just like the hybrids cars they been trying to hammer us with; they talk about how much gas it would save but they ignored the impact the batteries have on the environment from disposal and the impact of the mines that they harvest the nickel cadmium from that causes more pollution than the amount of gas saved.

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