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Octuplets mom could not afford her previous 6 kids

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  1. Jon88

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    The Grandmother of Octuplets, Who Shares a Home With the Mom of the Eight Babies, Filed for Bankruptcy Last Year;

    The California woman who gave birth to octuplets on Monday, although once married, apparently had all 14 of her kids out of wedlock by artificial means -- and various public records raise questions about the family's ability to support them.

    New details about the octuplets' conception spark ethical debate.ABC News has learned through San Bernardino Superior Court Records that the 33-year-old California woman, whose name is Nadya Doud (she filed to have her name changed to Nadya Suleman in 2001 -- though it was not clear if the request was granted), divorced her husband, Marcos Gutierrez, in January 2008.

    The document indicates "no children of the marriage," suggesting that Gutierrez was not the father of Doud's previous six children.

    Meanwhile, the woman's mother, Angela Suleman, said her daughter has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, according to an interview she gave late Friday with the Associated Press.

    Angela Suleman told the AP that all 14 children were conceived through in vitro fertilization, because her daughter had always had trouble conceiving because her fallopian tubes were "plugged up.'' She said that while all the kids came from a single sperm donor, the donor is not Marcos Guitierrez.

    An AP review of birth records identifies a David Solomon as the father of the oldest four children.

    Doud lived with Gutierrez for about three-and-a-half years from August 1996 until January 2000, when she moved back with her parents, Edward Doud Suleman and Angela Suleman, living at several addresses, records show. The parents were granted a divorce in Las Vegas in 1999, but evidently still live together.

    Within a few years of living with Gutierrez, Doud began having her 14 children.

    Another set of court documents may raise the question of whether Doud will be able to afford care for all those kids. The public records indicate that Doud's mother filed for bankruptcy in March 2008.

    The family currently lives in a three-bedroom home in suburban Los Angeles.

    As of March, Edward Doud Suleman, apparently the octuplets' grandfather, was working in Iraq, according to the bankruptcy filing. The couple's combined monthly income was listed as roughly $8,740, but the filing indicated that Angela Suleman expected their income would rise from her husband's employment. It said that he would earn $100,000 a year. The document did not specify Suleman's husband's occupation, but Suleman told the Los Angeles Times that her husband was a contractor.

    Angela Suleman told the newspaper that her daughter had had fertility treatment but never expected the treatment would result in eight babies.

    She said that raising 14 children "was going to be difficult."

    No matter what your income, giving birth and caring for octuplets is an expensive proposition. The infants' delivery was performed by a team of 46 doctors, nurses and surgical assistants stationed in four delivery rooms at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in Bellflower, Calif., and it likely cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.


    "You can think of it as an eightfold increase on a singleton birth," said Steven M. Donn, director of the Division of Neonatal-Perinatal Medicine at the University of Michigan Health System. "By comparison, the mother's care will probably be a bargain."

    Costs for the average delivery of a full-term pregnancy range from $9,000 to $25,000, depending on whether the baby is delivered by Caesarean section or vaginally. Eight times $25,000 is a whopping $200,000.

    But Donn said the cost of the octuplets' delivery likely exceeded that number because doctors prepared for the risks associated with a multiple-birth delivery.

    "For reasons we don't completely understand, risks with multifetal deliveries are greater than [normal births]," Donn said.

    The medical costs for babies born preterm, like the California octuplets, which were born nine weeks premature, are also above average.

    "The real significant costs come on the pediatric side, particularly when it comes to neonatal intensive care," said Dr. Geeta Swamy, a maternal-fetal specialist at Duke University Medical Center.

    A full-term pregnancy lasts from 38 to 42 weeks, according to the National Institutes of Health, and Swamy estimated for babies born at 30 weeks the hospital stay could be "anywhere from six weeks to six months."

    For an infant stay in a neonatal intensive care unit, costs can add up to "a few thousand a day," she said.

    "So we are looking at probably several hundreds of thousands of dollars for the family. If it is $100,000 per baby, for example, then it would be $800,000 for all eight," Swamy said.
  2. Faerluna

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    She was also hoping for one, not eight.

    Another article I read said that fertility specialists were questing what the doctor that implanted all eight at once was thinking, as 3-4 is the norm.
  3. Jon88

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    She shouldn't have been hoping for any if the state of California is raising her other six. There should be a law for that.
  4. bbgun

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    I was happy for her .. until I learned about the other kids. And the fact that her parents are flat broke and she has no husband. I don't know who's more irresponsible: her, or the fertility clinic.
  5. Jon88

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    And as broke as California is right now makes it even more ridiculous. Her dad had to go to Iraq to help pay for her other 6. There is something wrong with this woman.
  6. Hoofbite

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    :hammer:
  7. Heisenberg

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    I thought these fertility procedures were expensive? If she is dirt poor, how'd she afford one?
  8. Faerluna

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    I'm unclear how the state is raising her kids. It doesn't say that she's on welfare, or anything like that. It said that her mother declared bankruptcy.

    I'm not saying that what she did was right or logical or anything else, just saying that I don't see where the state is paying for anything.
  9. Jon88

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    I just assume she is, but she might not be.
  10. bbgun

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    She works (worked?) at the clinic. Employee discount?
  11. Hoofbite

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    What is the world coming to when you have Back Alley Implantations?
  12. iceberg

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    heh, she gave herself the "5 finger discount"....

    lord that works too many ways...
  13. iceberg

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    well with all the back alley abortions in time i suppose it's only fair.
  14. ninja

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    Wouldn't it be even nicer if she were an illegal alien? That would be the icing on the cake. Not saying she is, mind you.
  15. Jon88

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    All hell would break loose. It would almost be as bad as the illegal alien who hit a school bus and killed 4 or 5 kids.
  16. Faerluna

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    A little more info in this story...

    http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstor...ssed-with-Childr=1&blockID=196258&feedID=1198

    Parts of note:

    Friends and family also reported that Nadya Suleman worked as a psychiatric technician until she was injured on the job. Then she began having children and enrolled in school.

    She graduated from Cal State Fullerton in 2006 with a bachelor of science degree in child and adolescent development, school officials said. She returned to pursue a master's in counseling, but last attended in the spring of 2008.

    By juggling school and six children, Frickert said, Nadya Suleman proved to be "a lot more capable than the average person in handling stress."


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    Court records show the woman's mother Angela Suleman filed for bankruptcy last March, but after she failed to make required payments and appear at a creditors' meeting, the case was dismissed.

    She also reported liabilities of $981,371, mostly money owed on two houses she owns in Whittier.


    Suleman said Friday that she had withdrawn the filing and paid her debts.
  17. bbgun

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    If she wanted to have kids, she should have called me. My social calendar is wide open.
  18. iceberg

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    <insert sound of world gasping in surprise here>

    : )
  19. Viper

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    [IMG]
    I can understand why.:D
  20. Hoofbite

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    oh my god.

    who in the hell thinks thats a good idea?

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