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Off-Season Priority #1: Find A Running Game

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by TheFinisher, Jan 1, 2013.

  1. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I prove it by showing you the teams in the post season 7 of the 12 are top rushing teams in the NFL. Running the ball effectively keeps teams in down and distance that allows play action to work. No one is buying a play fake on 3rd 15 unless they are fricken brain dead. To claim the running game does not matter? :lmao2:

    Again 12 of the 7 post season teams use the run and use it damn well.
  2. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    and 7 of the top rushing teams are sitting in post season tell them that it does not work. Tell them that is does not matter they would laugh in your face. It matters if it didn't teams would not bother to run it as often as they do.

    Stats are not some tell all and teams would not use high picks to get RB if they did not feel the need for it but they do.

    Again not debating run vs pass what I'm saying if the running game help you move the ball, move the chains takes pressure off the QB by keeping defense honest and the fact the physical toll a running game can put on the defense as the OL is allowed to attack not sit back in pass blocking it matter.
  3. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    If we give in and agree with your Views on the importance of passing over rushing, can we get an update on the Salary Cap?
    :starspin:starspin:starspin:starspin:starspin
  4. percyhoward

    percyhoward Research Tool

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    This is where I'm coming from.
  5. Hoov

    Hoov Senior Member

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    Interesting point, i had never thought about it from that standpoint... and i can see that from that statement, if correct, the more important thing would be how good of a play fake you run rather than how many yards you obtained on previous runs. And i think there is some validity there as to "players reaction".

    But for devils advocate...is there a chance that a defensive coordinator would coach a safety to play pass and to not come up so much to play the run if your front seven are stiffling the other teams run game because it is ineffective ? Or just call different defensive schemes because a team is struggling to run the ball ?

    In those two senarios, it would seem that an inability to run the ball could hamper a passing offense because the other defense would play primarily a pass defense against you.

    Now that is different from saying a good run game will produce a good passing game. It is more or less suggesting that a bad run game could hurt a team that usually has a good passing game.
  6. Section444

    Section444 Well-Known Member

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    100% agree. Murray has "potential", but that doesn't mean a thing if he's not on the field.
  7. Hoov

    Hoov Senior Member

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    :lmao2:
  8. wick

    wick Active Member

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    What if we look at offensive adjusted net yards per pass minus defensive adjusted net yards per pass?

    1. Seattle, 11-5
    2. San Francisco, 11-4-1
    3. Green Bay, 11-5
    4. Denver, 13-3
    5. Washington, 10-6
    6. Atlanta, 13-3
    7. Chicago, 10-6
    8. Carolina, 7-9
    9. New England, 12-4
    10. Pittsburgh, 8-8
    11. Cincinnati, 10-6
    12. Baltimore, 10-6
    13. Houston12-4
    14. St. Louis, 7-8-1
    15. New York Giants, 9-7
    16. New Orleans, 7-9
    17. San Diego, 7-9
    18. Detroit, 4-12
    19. Buffalo, 6-10
    20. Tampa Bay, 7-9
    21. Dallas, 8-8
    22. Miami, 7-9
    23. Indianapolis, 11-5
    24. Cleveland, 5-11
    25. New York Jets, 6-10
    26. Tennessee, 6-10
    27. Arizona, 5-11
    28. Minnesota, 10-6
    29. Oakland, 4-12
    30. Jacksonville, 2-14
    31. Philadelphia, 4-12
    32. Kansas City, 2-14
  9. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    If you think teams like Washington, Minn, Sea, SF, Hou and Balt are built to get into passing wars then you have not been watching them. They need their running game it matter to them.

    So you can take you stats and play with them all day long but it does not change the fact games are played on a football field not some piece of paper.

    Hell last week Redskins did not even throw the ball very much put up 100 yards of passing it was the running attack that killed us it is the same running attack Shanhan used in Denver to win 2 SB convince him that his running game does not help him win games. Of course passing game matters a lot, hell they changed the rules to make it easier while no rules have been changed to help the RB yet teams will still lean on a rushing attack. Ponder sure as hell is not going to win many games by getting into passing wars but you put Peterson behind him now he has a chance to win.
  10. percyhoward

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    That's a lot like passer rating differential, which does include TD.

    1 GB
    2 Sea
    3 Den
    4 SF
    5 Atl
    6 Was
    7 NE
    8 Hou

    9 Chi
    10 Pit
    11 Cin
    12 Bal


    24 Min
    27 Ind
  11. wick

    wick Active Member

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    With the exception of Minnesota, those teams win because they pass the ball better than their opponents. Or, if you like, they force their opponents to pass the ball worse than they do.

    Incorrect. Washington won because it did not kill itself in the passing game like Dallas did. Or, if you prefer, Washington won because its defense destroyed Dallas' passing game while Dallas was unable to similarly impact Washington's. As I've already explained in this thread, Dallas wins that game if you change nothing else except the turnovers, which would have given Dallas a better passing attack on the day than Washington. That would be even with Washington's overwhelming edge in the running game.
  12. Doomsday101

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    They pass effeciently they are not big time passing teams hell Washington ranks 30th in passing attemps why because the run the damn ball. Morris is not picking up these 100 yard rushing days breaking the skins rushing record by watching RGIII throwing the ball they run the ball plain and simple

    Meantime Sea is ranked 32 in passing attempts, SF is ranked 31 in passing attempts why because they run the ball.

    As for Dallas wins that game IF there are a lot fricken IF's bottom line these teams run the ball they do it very well they keep themselfs in down and distance that allows them the option of run or pass unlike Dallas who finds themselfs in long situations where the defense damn well knows they have to throw it. It is not that hard to understand evidently you don't get it chances are never will
  13. percyhoward

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    Does Washington win if you change nothing else except the two teams' rushing performances?
  14. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    If this were true, then, there should be a correlation between doing it well and winning games. The fact that there isn't means either that 1. it's not likely to increase your chances of winning or 2. the data hasn't been 'unpacked' sufficiently to isolate the parts of the running game where being more effective really matters.

    I'd never dispute that part. There's definitely obviously a place for running plays in an NFL offense.
  15. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Chances are you will not throw many ints if you don't throw the ball that much to begin with. :laugh2:
  16. Doomsday101

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    Why do teams like Sea, SF, Washing, Minn or Houston run the ball? because they can and they do it very well and yes it helps them win balls games. If you took those QB and took their run away from them forced them to play the role of Rodgers they are not winning a lot of games.

    Again down and distance matter if you can control that with the running game it keep defense off balance they can't just sell out on the passing game. Morris getting the touches he gets in Washington matters and it helps them win games, same with Foster in houston or Lynch in Sea these are key players on their teams.
  17. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    That's actually exactly right. :)
  18. percyhoward

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    I'm assuming both QB keep their passer ratings of 55.9 and 66.9, so while Romo wouldn't have had as many INT, he wouldn't have had as many TD either.
  19. wick

    wick Active Member

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    How did Washington pass on the plays you are changing from runs? Did Dallas eliminate interceptions on passing plays converted to runs?
  20. Irving Cowboy

    Irving Cowboy The Chief

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    Can I get a translation, please?

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