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Offensive lineman rankings...

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by MichaelWinicki, Nov 13, 2012.

  1. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Most of PFF's rankings are terrible. But literally none are worse than their O-line rankings.

    Sigh.

    I particularly like that they scored the Atlanta game as one of Bernadeau's best games of the season. Amazing, really, that they're this bad at doing ... anything.
  2. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Well they are one of the few rating services we have access too.

    If anyone has an alternate rating for the Cowboy's linemen I would think most of us would appreciate seeing them.
  3. perrykemp

    perrykemp Well-Known Member

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    For better or worse, they are the only service that ranks all the players in the NFL like this. It's certainly not ideal, however, I don't perceive anti-Cowboys bias in PFF.
  4. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    There's a reason no one else ranks individual O-linemen.
  5. Diogenes

    Diogenes Active Member

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    Without looking, Diogenes had them ranked:

    1) Livings
    2) Cook
    3) Smith
    4) Bernadeau
    5) Free

    I'd say PFF is pretty damn accurate. :)
  6. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Well what do you do?

    Just throw up your hands and basically rate everyone as either good or bad with nothing in between?
  7. ykc

    ykc Active Member

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    Do anyone who who is our college and pro OL scout for the last 10-15 years?
    I am sure there is lot of HC/GM involvement in drafting and signing OL but they need a new voice/approach to how they are planning to build OL into the future. Their current approach is not working, cannot draft good OL in lower rounds and develop them, cannot identify good OL free agents...
  8. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Watch the game and make my own judgment? I certainly don't rely on laughably flawed rankings like this.
  9. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    It isn't a bias so much as a completely faulty premise that you can evaluate line play accurately without knowing assignments, etc. One guy's whiff often ends up getting another guy blamed in this system
  10. Doomsay

    Doomsay Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for posting, do you have run blocking + penalty stats as well? Thanks.
  11. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    Cutting him will create 8.35M in dead money, so says Spotrac.

    Basically the team frees up 2.8M by cutting him without spreading the remaining money over two years.

    They save all 7M of that base money if they spread the cap hit out but then they still have dead money on the books for 2014.

    I'm not sure he's gone.
  12. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    And you've yet to share your rankings with the rest of us.
  13. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Well, that's exactly what I'm saying. It's impossible.
  14. garrett316

    garrett316 5 against 1 Zone Supporter

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    FWIW - Broaddus likes the way Free has played the last 3-4 weeks.
  15. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    The overall rankings include all three phases... pass blocking, run blocking and penalties.
  16. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Oh-kay.
  17. perrykemp

    perrykemp Well-Known Member

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    I totally agree it's an very imperfect system and I also agree of all the positions, OL is probably the most subjective.

    Having said that I believe they are applying the same system to evaluate players at the same position across the league.
  18. Bluestang

    Bluestang Well-Known Member

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    I don't agree with PFF's rankings either and it's hard to evaluate individual OL performance because of varying factors like:

    QB play, WR, play, protection schemes.

    I do like that PFF is using recording AVG times in the pocket though. That's a new feature that they can improve on.
  19. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    Well, he's definitely been better....that's not saying a ton. But he's less noticeable anyways.
  20. perrykemp

    perrykemp Well-Known Member

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    More people are using their data. The media is routinely quoting their detailed data. More folks like us are subscribing to the data.

    What this means is their subscription base is going up and therefore their revenues. It also means that is highly likely that with that additional revenue stream that are trying to improve the product.

    I think they are getting better. It also think its far from perfect. I'm at the point I'm not willing to throw away all what PFF says in all instances like some on this board tend to do.

    I also notice then when the PFF stats indicate that a Cowboy is playing well or ranks high, we hear very little grumbling.... funny how that is.

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