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Offensive linemen rankings...

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by MichaelWinicki, Dec 22, 2012.

  1. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Per PFF...


    Free 68th out of 75 tackles rated.
    Smith 49th out of 75.
    Bernadeau 59th out of 82 guards rated.
    Livings 16th out of 82.
    Cook 20th out of 36 centers rated.

    Based on overall pass protection the line is 25th.

    Interestingly enough the Giants are 24th... The Eagles 26th.
  2. SDCowboy85

    SDCowboy85 Well-Known Member

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    That's absolutely embarrassing.
  3. weaver21

    weaver21 Active Member

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    Looks like Livings is having a solid season. Everyone else have been average and in Free's case, pretty awful. This definitely should be priority number one come this off-season ... fix this damn offensive line.
  4. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    It's certainly not good.

    There's only one guy who's playing better than average.

    And the second best player (based on those rankings) is a fill-in for an injured starter.
  5. dogberry

    dogberry Well-Known Member

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    If the line were evaluated on the last two games, would Free have a higher rating? Would Parnell be given a good grade?

    Has Callahan's ploy gotten us the right tackle performance we were hoping to have?
  6. Teague31

    Teague31 Defender of the Star

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    Curious where a healthy Costa would be rated
  7. RXP

    RXP Well-Known Member

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    The oline play has been better recently. But thats still not good. It must be fixed in the offseason
  8. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    when you are cheap you usually get what you pay for.
    One can hope that Smith will improve as he was the only expensive part
    Livings has been inconsistent
    Bernie stinks
    Cook is a backup
    Free -well enough about that loser
  9. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    What team has the highest ranking of a team that is not going to make the play offs?
  10. Section444

    Section444 Well-Known Member

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    I'm curious to see how they'll perform next year (assuming not much changes). I think it's fair to say that they've improved as the year has gone on, perhaps that's due to them "gelling" as a unit.
  11. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    I question how much better Free or Bernadeau would be with better player next to them?

    I mean, neither one is setting the world on fire. But where would Bernadeau rank if he had a tackle next to him who was say ranked 40th rather than 68th?
  12. SDCowboy85

    SDCowboy85 Well-Known Member

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    Pretty much. Hopefully it will be improved greatly next season.
  13. jterrell

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    last time i saw the full list it was cleveland.
    but there are a handful of really good OLs that wont make the playoffs.
    maybe he'll list the 3 or 4 of the top 15 that are already out.

    jets, bills, browns, saints, giants(if they miss) all rank very high along the ol this year.

    pff is hard to gauge versus others because it realllllly knocks you for penalties whereas other sites focus far more on sacks allowed or yards per rush in your area.
  14. jterrell

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    Free's rated as the worst player ever because he is leading the league in penalties. They torch you for that. He's been bad even without penalties but factor those in and it's not even close as to whop is the worst player with 11+ starts. If he can't stay on-sides not sure who slides in next to him matters. Tho benching him seems to have done wonders for his concentration.

    Bern is a heady guy but he isn't a physical beast sadly. He would probably benefit a great deal from a top notch OC who can help double-team. He is beaten regularly on stunts it seems. Not a quick reactor.

    Livings has been very solid. Good player inline and straight ahead. Not much of a player in space unless you let him get into your body.

    Tyron Smith would probably be a top 10 LT if he stayed onsides. That's be what I'd work with him most on this off-season. He is far too quick and agile to need to jump snaps.
  15. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    We will fix it.

    One cornerback at a time.
  16. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    The five best pass-blocking offensive lines per PFF are:

    Denver
    Cleveland
    Cincinnati
    Buffalo
    Detroit
  17. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    So three, and maybe four of the top 5 O Lines will not make the playoffs.
  18. RXP

    RXP Well-Known Member

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    That is interesting.

    That tells me that there may be a flaw in their calculations. The idea that there is no correlation between good offensive lines and playoff teams seems out of wack
  19. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    Well, no offense but I'll ignore the idiotic PFF rankings, as they're garbage not worth looking at.

    How good would slop be playing next to quality? A little better but still slop. What's your point? Do you want to fix the OL or continue messing around while your franchise QB keeps getting older?

    Bernadeau and Livings are backup quality players. Cook is an emergency body and Costa shouldn't be in the league. Doug Free is exactly what I said he was during the Doug Free...Superstar! tour. Completely overrated. He's a swing tackle, nothing more.

    You will not fix this OL until those players are no longer on the field. You can improve it next year by replacing some of them but you won't fix it to the tune of it being a strength of the team like it should be until all those players are either ex-Cowboys or sitting on the bench watching the game.

    That is the long and short of it, Mikey. You have to have a base of talent before coaching and scheme comes into play. We don't have that.
  20. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    That's the intelligent take on it.

    The flip side is to assume OL play isn't important.

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