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Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by ShiningStar, Aug 10, 2009.

  1. ShiningStar

    ShiningStar Well-Known Member

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    In a Tight Spot, Pelosi Calls Health Care Critics 'Un-American'

    It's hardly the first time House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who earlier this year accused the CIA of lying to Congress and repeatedly has called Republicans unpatriotic, has employed some serious name-calling to characterize her opponents' views.



    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi turned the health care debate up a notch Monday, penning a column along with her top deputy that questioned the patriotism of those disrupting town hall meetings to air their complaints.
    Pelosi and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer claimed such behavior is "simply un-American."


    It's hardly the first time Pelosi, who earlier this year accused the CIA of lying to Congress and repeatedly has called Republicans unpatriotic, has employed some serious name-calling to characterize her opponents' views.


    The jab Monday drew swift scorn from Republicans and critics who say the health care demonstrations are as American as apple pie.
    "I, like most Americans, would find that kind of characterization of citizens exercising their First Amendment rights to be offensive," Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., told FOX News. "There's nothing more American than letting your elected representatives know how you feel about important issues facing the nation."


    House Republican Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, released a statement calling the charge "outrageous and reprehensible."
    Pelosi and Hoyer made the accusation as part of a lengthy column in USA



    Today stressing the need for action on health care reform. The piece was published as lawmakers return to their districts for summer recess, a period that could imperil the legislation if health care critics cause moderate Democrats to lose their stomachs for sweeping reform.
    Critics have confronted lawmakers about the bills, sometimes shouting at them, at a number of town halls in the past week alone.


    On Monday, Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill tried a new tack in rebutting the protesters while also minimizing their complaints. She got several hands when she asked audience members at a town hall meeting to raise their hands if they're so scared about the federal government running health care that they "can't think straight."


    For Pelosi and Hoyer, they charged that an "ugly campaign" is afoot to misrepresent the legislation, "disrupt" the public meetings and prevent members of Congress from "conducting a civil dialogue" on the topic.


    "Let the facts be heard," they wrote. "These disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views -- but of the facts themselves. Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. Drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades."
    The "un-American" dig was a sign the debate is heating up. In a tight spot, Pelosi is known for employing tough rhetoric and accusations to muscle her way out.


    Back in September 2008, Pelosi used similar language to complain about Republicans who weren't showing up to talks on a Wall Street bailout package.


    "I thought it was very unpatriotic of them not to show up, not to show up, in some ways, boycott the meetings earlier in the week," she said.
    She also reportedly called the GOP budget in 2006 "unpatriotic" because it drove up the national debt.


    This past May, she accused the CIA of lying to Congress, as she was facing questions about how much she knew early on about the Bush administration's interrogation policies.


    Then last week, with the health care debate growing more heated, she invoked Nazi Germany, accusing protesters of "carrying swastikas and symbols like that" to meetings. A spokesman for Pelosi later said the speaker was referencing a photo taken at a town hall meeting hosted by



    Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., which showed a protester holding a sign of a swastika crossed out over President Obama's name and a question mark.
    Yet the language Pelosi is using for health care critics is nothing like the language she used to describe anti-war protesters criticized by war supporters as unpatriotic.


    Pelosi, who led efforts to withdraw from Iraq before troops had finished the job, tolerated anti-war hecklers on several occasions.


    "It's always exciting," she said of protesters who interrupted a meeting in January 2006, according to an account in the San Francisco Chronicle. "This is democracy in action. I'm energized by it, frankly."
    At an event in June 2007, she told anti-war protesters "just go for it, I respect your enthusiasm," according to another account.


    The claims of "un-American" behavior by critics is not something made by President Obama, who on Monday withheld criticism of his health care detractors.


    "We are having a vigorous debate in the United States and I think that's a healthy thing," he said, speaking at a North American summit in Mexico.
    Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said there's not really any "substantive difference" between the anti-war protests of MoveOn and Code Pink then and the health care reform criticism today -- other than the subject being addressed.


    Cornyn told FOX News he thinks the latest charge of being "un-American" is a "pretty harsh statement" about Americans who have serious concerns about the health care legislation.
  2. ScipioCowboy

    ScipioCowboy More than meets the eye. Zone Supporter

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    Wait. I thought there was nothing more American than dissent.
  3. Rogah

    Rogah Well-Known Member

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    I thought dissent was patriotic :( :(

    EDIT: Whoops..!! Scipio beat me to the punch by about 10 minutes...
  4. jrumann59

    jrumann59 Well-Known Member

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    Boy do they have it backwards, paying more than your fair share of taxes is a patriotic duty, but shut up or you are unpatriotic. Please will all the bush bashers that ran GWB through the wringer about his sense of patriotism better be doing the exact same now with the same vigor when or if they denounce Pelosi and most of the democrats.
  5. CanadianCowboysFan

    CanadianCowboysFan Lightning Rod

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    Is dissenting about the health bill being unpatriotic like how being against the illegal war in Iraq meant you were not a real American, unpatriotic and stabbing the tropps in the back?
  6. ShiningStar

    ShiningStar Well-Known Member

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    I dont hear this PLANET complaining that terrorism has taken a huge hit, that Saddam is done, and Iraqi's are getting a new lease on a future that they didnt have when Saddam was in charge.

    You dont have to like the troops, you dont have to support them, but dont disrespect them as this country did to the ones returning from Vietnam.

    One is a bill that can cause chaos in a stable country, the other is a human being, ill leave it to you to research both and see which one is the human. Maybe than you'll have a wider view of both and how they dont correlate.

    One solider could never take down this country, a piece of paper could do some damage if its written well enough.
  7. TheRat

    TheRat The Silly Willy

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    I think Pelosi was referring to disrupting peaceful gatherings by shouting down speakers.
  8. CanadianCowboysFan

    CanadianCowboysFan Lightning Rod

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    In other words, according to reactionaries, not all dissent is created equal?
  9. ShiningStar

    ShiningStar Well-Known Member

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    Just in case you didnt read it:


    It's hardly the first time Pelosi, who earlier this year accused the CIA of lying to Congress and repeatedly has called Republicans unpatriotic, has employed some serious name-calling to characterize her opponents' views.
  10. sbark

    sbark Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Lets again join hypocrisy in a walk down memory lane....

    http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/08/08/back-when-obstruction-was-a-cool/

    During the 2006 State of the Nation, Democrats cheer their success in obstructing social security reform – can we call them a ‘Brooks Bros’ mob? Seems they cheerfully dish out the obstruction, but whine when it is handed back to them.
  11. CanadianCowboysFan

    CanadianCowboysFan Lightning Rod

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    trying to claim the other side is hypocritical is the ultimate hypocracy.
  12. Rogah

    Rogah Well-Known Member

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    I cannot answer this question as it is based on multiple false premises. However, there was once a time when Americans believed that poltics should end at our nation's shores. Too bad those days are long gone and hard to find.
  13. jrumann59

    jrumann59 Well-Known Member

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    All I ask for is consistency. there are many on here that took up the very mantel they bashed when a "Republican" was in office. You can call it shaming, or scaring, or name calling, whatever but many "Democrats" now use racist if you do not agree with Obama, now Pelosi uses "Un-American" if you do not agree with the universal health care. All I ask is if wasn't OK for a president and his minions you hated to use it then it is not ok for a president and minions you like to use it either.
  14. TheRat

    TheRat The Silly Willy

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    The CIA has lied to congress during Iran Contra and during the coup de tat in Chile when they installed Pinochet. In fact CIA director Helms was convicted of misleading Congress.

    Anyhow, point is she is not saying all dissent is un-patriotic just disruptive dissent.
  15. jrumann59

    jrumann59 Well-Known Member

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    So its OK for them to be disruptive and encourage it under GWB but under BHO it is un-patriotic. Seems fair sorry if I misunderstood.
  16. TheRat

    TheRat The Silly Willy

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    Well I completely disagree with your premise. Democratic politicians never encouraged other citizens to disrupt town hall meetings.
  17. ArmoredSaint

    ArmoredSaint New Member

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    The Dems are in the process of pissing away their hard-fought political capital. I don't understand this kind of strategy at all. I guess having a super-majority in Congress would give some an ivory tower mentality.
  18. lewpac

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    OH...............as in every time Ann Coulter or David Horowitz has a speaking engagement? Or when the "Minute Men" went on tour and got shouted out of the room? Or when anyone who isn't Uber-Lib appears on "The View" or Bill Maher's stupid HBO show. Or maybe she was referring to everytime Bush was brought up, the words "murderer" or "Hitler" or "taking away our rights" was brought up? Yeah, maybe THAT's what she was thinking.

    Is THAT that kind of disruption that Pelosi NOW finds unacceptable?

    Listen, this crap is so predictable and juvinile and expected. The words "ironic" and "double standard" have been so over used, it's not even worth bringing up anymore.

    The plain statement of fact is, is that the Uber-Left in this country simply COUNTS on us being a nation of idiot sheep. And, they pretty well succeeded. They TELL us what to get up in arms about, and what not too..............and the sheeple fall for it. It's so blatant now, they don't even try to hide it like they used too.

    This Pelosi, I wouldn't let her baby sit my kids. She's a bonifide nut. REALLY! I mean a certified kook. Like most in the Democrat left leaning cache'. Yet, this is the rabble that now leads our country. God have mercy on America. Between Obama, Reed and Pelosi, and all their minions.........God help us.
  19. CanadianCowboysFan

    CanadianCowboysFan Lightning Rod

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    you preferred Bush the younger, cheney and Candi Rice?
  20. lewpac

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    This ain't Canada....................

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