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OTC: Free Agent Pass Rushers

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by CyberB0b, Feb 14, 2014.

  1. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    Yup.

    Problem with getting to that 7m number without Ware is that it means restructuring some questionable deals and cutting some players who can actually play at an NFL level before you get to camp to see what injuries even occur.
    For a team in desperate need of MORE depth cutting the little quality depth we had would be suicide.

    The alternative seems far more sound:
    Restructure Ware as well but keep the 3 or 4 depth guys and still have 10M plus of cap space to work with in March.
    Get one or two MORE players who can help you in FA.

    Then draft and sign UDFA, then bring them all to camp and find the best 51.
    Cut the vets amongst that group: Orton, Costa, Durant maybe even Bern; that do not pull their own weight.

    You can then use that money saved plus the savings from Miles for draft class, usual cushion and 2015 rollover.

    Hopefully by next year you can cut Ware June 2nd and really save a lot of cap cash. You should be in a far better position both from roster stand point and from a cap stand point.
  2. bkight13

    bkight13 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I do like the idea of a smaller pay cut(3-4m), coupled with a restructure. That seems like the best course of action on and off the field. They are a better team with Ware next year and that is the key point. They just can afford another 13m injury year.
  3. casmith07

    casmith07 I'm the best poster in the game!

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    This is the most likely scenario if they don't do what I suggested in another thread - rip up Ware's contract, give him another extension with the same dollar figure he is set to earn but spread out over multiple years (4-5 years, with the intent that he never sees the last three or even four years of the deal) thereby pushing your dead money and cap hits down and although you're still taking cap hits upon release, you're "spreading" them out.
  4. jubal

    jubal Member

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    As Larry would say,"Getter Done".
  5. Questfor6

    Questfor6 Well-Known Member

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    Lamarr Houston & Henry Melton or bust!!!
  6. dogberry

    dogberry Well-Known Member

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    Trying to to prove that someone could be worst than Jerry, I restructured over $40 million in salaries and didn't cut anyone. That should free up $15 million in new spending after paying draftees. Got the left side of the bell curve locked in.
  7. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Benched

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    Jerry controls everything including Stephen.
  8. Redball Express

    Redball Express All Aboard!!!

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    This

    It's going to take 2-3 more drafts and years coaching them anyway.

    I'm not worried about whether its DE or DT or OG or Lber/safety..

    ..we need to take the best player at any position we have at 17.

    Don't get cute..don't try to trade down..

    don't trade up and reach.

    Use you reports, draft your board and move on.

    Don't give us all this VALUE bull when it comes to the player and oversell him to the world.

    Let's just get it done and get it right.

    For once.
  9. bkight13

    bkight13 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Terrell Suggs just re-did his deal with Baltimore. It's a very similar situation to Ware. It will be interesting to see what he got. Pass rushers should be in good supply this off season, no reason to over pay for Ware.
  10. LatinMind

    LatinMind iPhotoshop

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    Where do you get 3-4 mil against the cap? Ware will cost $8,571,500. Dallas can cut Ware and can totally alter its cap situation in 2015. These kinds of posts make me one to slap the madden controller out your hands. Its clearly not just the money with Dallas. Its what Dallas thinks of Wares skills. Teams dont just up and cut a player like Ware without having exhausted every possible resource in finding a way to work within the cap.

    I think this will end 3 ways.

    Something gets worked out like Free. Take a pay cut, and void the final yr. If he has a big yr then he earns his last big payday probably for another team.

    Rleased outright. Dallas takes a 8.5 mil cap hit and gets nothing for it.

    Restructure and fans go crazy.

    Me personally i think Dallas would go the first route. Its just a case of if Ware thinks he can get a deal that pays him more then 8mil in the market. Im willing to bet you he cant.
  11. CyberB0b

    CyberB0b Well-Known Member

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    Details aren't out yet, but they simply extended him, instead of him taking a paycut.

  12. bkight13

    bkight13 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I could see a 4yr/30m extension covering 2014-2017. Around a 8m signing bonus and guarantee 4m more in salaries for 2014 and 2015. That reduces his cap hit from 12.6m to 7.2m this year and leaves the option to keep him after 2015. They were talking about cutting him because of his injuries and diminished play. Sounds very familiar.
  13. CyberB0b

    CyberB0b Well-Known Member

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    Extending a player who is declining because of injuries doesn't sound like a good strategy to me.
  14. bkight13

    bkight13 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    He was going to cost 4.6m even if they cut him, so for 2.6m more they get another year out of him. Just like Ware, 60% of Suggs is better than most replacements or draft picks.
  15. Redball Express

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    I don't really understand what is the issue about keeping Ware.

    All players hit their downside and you have to stay away from being sucked down a black hole with contracts like Ware's.

    Bruce Smith was another guy, like Ware, who hit the wall and had to be released.

    Bruce Smith is HofF.

    Ware is not.

    Ware will barely make the Ring of Honor at AT&T Stadium.

    Stop obcessing about him.

    He is not a mandatory player for this franchise going forward.

    He's too small and light to anchor an end..

    he's a fish out of water in this new defense.

    Some fans are more romantic about this guy than the owner.

    Got to move on, boys.

    Garrett and Marinelli need players, not patients.

    Ware is a constant patient in the treatment room anymore.

    We can't afford this.
  16. locked&loaded

    locked&loaded its redskin season

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    ware isn't a hall of famer?
  17. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    Actually it is a totally different situation with Suggs. He was in the final year of his deal and was scheduled to carry a $12.4 million cap hit in 2014.

    Ware still has four years left on his, each year greater by a good margin than what Suggs was scheduled to count.
  18. Dhragon

    Dhragon Deadly Claws of Death

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    If he didn't play another down, Ware would still be heavily considered for HoF. Don't know why Redball doesn't think he will be HoF worthy after a few more seasons worth of stats to pad his total.
  19. bkight13

    bkight13 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    It is almost exactly the same. Ware's contract is just a number on a piece of paper. Dallas is under no obligation to pay him another dollar. They have to take a 8.5m cap hit if they cut him, so they will probably try to keep him for another couple years for a little more guaranteed money than his cap hit would be. Just like Suggs.

    Suggs got 2/16m, so I think Ware could get 2/18m guaranteed. 12m signing bonus, 2m salary for 2014 and 4m salary for 2015. That would reduce his cap hit in 2014 from 16.5m to 7.5m and from 17.5m to 9.6m in 2015. After 2015 he would still have 9.2m in dead money, but that could be spread over 2 years as a June 1st cut.
  20. Redball Express

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    If he returns to his younger days..

    sure.

    But I really don't think he will and if they keep him..

    they are really going to be looking at a poison pill b/w his production and his cost.

    I have to ax to grind about Ware..

    he's been the heart of the old 3-4..

    but this is a 4-3..very different expectations are needed.

    We'll see.

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