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Ourlads April 15th Mock...

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by MichaelWinicki, Apr 22, 2014.

  1. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Received the 2014 Draft Guide today. And here's their first round mock:

    1. Houston - Clowney
    2. St.L (from Wash) - Mtthews
    3. Jacksonville - Watkins
    4. Clevelend - Lewan
    5. Oakland - Mack
    6. Atlanta - Robinson
    7. Tampa - Evans
    8. Minnesota - Mosley
    9. Buffalo - Ebron
    10. Detroit - Glibert
    11. Tennessee- Barr
    12. NY Giants - Martin
    13. St. Louis - Bucannon
    14. Chicago - Tuitt
    15. Pittsburgh - Pryor
    16. Dallas - Donald
    17. Baltimore - Clinton-Dix
    18. NY Jets - Beckham Jr.
    19. Miami - Jernigan
    20. Arizona - Murphy
    21. Green Bay - Dennard
    22. Philly - Cooks
    23. KC - Lee
    24. Cincy - Shazier
    25. SD - Nix
    26. Cleveland (Indy) - Manziel
    27. NO - Verrett
    28. Carolina - Kouandjio
    29. NE - Martin
    30. SF - Fuller
    31. Denver - Richardson
    32. Seattle - Su'a-Filo

    Only 1 QB taken (26th) and the Cowboys still end up with Donald (which I would be thrilled).
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  2. Fredd

    Fredd Well-Known Member

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    When did they actually put this together? There are guys on there that I can't see in the first round (Bucanon, Tuitt, Murphy, to name a few, although Tuitt could sneak in at the end)...3 safeties by pick #17?
  3. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    April 15th.
  4. Fredd

    Fredd Well-Known Member

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    I wonder...I would bet that it went to print then, but Murphy in the top 20? bucanon? Have they done something recently to get into that range? I sounds more like they were on their list originally and possibly before the combine....I am curious, what did they say about bucanon being so high?
  5. tm1119

    tm1119 Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure they have plenty of good info in there but I'd feel just a little ripped off if that was the mock I got out of my subscription
  6. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Nah... I don't buy the thing for the mock.

    The mock is one page out of 90 pages.

    It's the player evaluations that's worth the price.
  7. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    They have Bucannon as their 14th ranked player overall and the #1 safety.

    They had him ranked 2 out of 18 free safeties using their "OSR" which combines all their Combine figures into 1 score.

    I'll say in their defense that draft after draft their list of BPA is pretty accurate. Their mocks mays not be, but their BPA's are pretty reliable. And if they think this guy is a first round safety... Then I'm on board with it.
  8. Floaty

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    I really like Buchannon. Reminds me of our guy Roy Williams of a few years ago.....Before he lost heart in the game. :)
  9. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    Oh look, another lazy mock with Donald to the Cowboys.
  10. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Looking at his stats and combine workout number it's easy to see why Ourlads is so high on the kid. He had 114 tackles, which was 8th best in the country. On top of that he had 6 picks and forced 3 fumbles. He's 6'1, 211 lbs and runs a sub 4.5 forty. And his "back-pedal, turn & run" was 2nd best out all the safeties. He's a tackling machine who gets picks.
  11. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    Mikey, where do they have Demarcus Lawrence in their positional ranking?
  12. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    10th.

    Behind:

    Clowney
    Tuitt (as a DE)
    Martin
    Ford
    Ealy
    Crichton
    Chris Smith
    Jeffcoat
    Will Clarke

    Obviously a couple of these guys would be considered 3-4 DE's.
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  13. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    That is absurd. Behind Chris Smith? Will Clarke? Wow.
  14. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    This is why I love the NFL Draft. Informed voices coming to different conclusions. Only time will tell who is right.

    I'm more on board with Brugler. 2nd DE overall with a late 1st/early 2nd round value. I'd rather have Lawrence than I would Ealy.

    Thanks for the info.
  15. MichaelWinicki

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    They gave Clark a 7.20. Lawrence was 7.16 so not much of a difference.

    Lawrence had 72 tackles, 20.5 TFL, 10.5 sacks and 3 FF. He was rated (based on physical skills exhibited at the Combine) 15th out of 43 defensive ends.

    Clark had 50 tackles, 17 TFL, 6 sacks and 1 FF. He was rated 11th out of 43 on his physical skills (His edge speed was a little better than Lawrence's)

    Chris Smith has a 8.81 rating. 36 tackles, 11.5 TFL, 8.5 sacks. He was rated 9th out of 43 on his physical skills. He had better edge speed than Clark and was considerably stronger than both Clark and Lawrence.

    BTW, a big drop-off after Lawrence.

    I understand why someone would rate Lawrence higher but I can see the point of Smith being rated where he is by Ourlads.
  16. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    Still makes me laugh when a player is considered "stronger" based on silly data.

    Football is as much about leverage and technique as anything. Weight room strong does not necessarily translate.
  17. tm1119

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    I'd take Chris Smith over Lawerence too. Smith is more athletic, stronger, and has longer arms. Played against much better competition as well.
  18. starfrombirth

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    He might prove me wrong but I would throw my remote in disgust in we drafted Ealy in the 1st.... or 2nd for that matter. He might rate that high but I just am not a fan... Donald/Barr/Jernigen in the 1st, Easly in the 2nd, Ellis in the 3rd.. I would cry with Joy.
  19. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    Longer arms? Well, you have convinced me then.
  20. starfrombirth

    starfrombirth Well-Known Member

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    I went to draftbreakdown to take a look at this guy:
    [IMG]
    Chris Smith
    PositionDESchoolArkansas
    Height6' 1"Weight266 lbs
    ClassSeniorNumber42

    Anaalysis - Has good speed and quickness with adequate power but not elite in any of them. He lacks the physical superiority of other DE's like Tuitt, Barr, or Hagemen. I'm not sure what people were seeing to say he is better than Demarcus Lawrence either. In fact while watching him, I found myself watching this guy more and was much more impressed:

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    Trey Flowers
    PositionDESchoolArkansas
    Height6' 4"Weight267 lbs
    ClassSeniorNumber86
    All-Star---40 Time---

    Analysis - Played with very good power against good competition. Had good speed and penetration to disrupt the backfield and is generally disruptive often creating opportunities for his teammates. Used good technique to keep contain and found the ball consistently. Has a good motor and continually tracks the play to the whistle.

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