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Palin doesnt care about the environment

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  1. yeahyeah

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    Palin says polar bear protection as endangered is unjustified

    GLOBAL WARMING DOUBTS: A "threatened" listing could hurt subsistence, development.
    By TOM KIZZIA
    tkizzia@adn.com
    Published: November 1, 2007
    Last Modified: November 3, 2007 at 10:07 PM
    Unfazed by new studies predicting the disappearance of polar bears from Alaska, Gov. Sarah Palin is repeating her opposition to listing the bears as threatened under the federal Endangered Species Act.




    There's still too much uncertainty about the future melting of the polar ice cap to justify such a listing, Palin told the federal government last week. And declaring any species "threatened" because of possible global warming effects would "open the floodgates" for petitions affecting thousands of other species, she said.
    Palin said the polar bear has become "a metaphor in the highly charged climate change debate." Those petitioning for protection are using the bears to affect national policy on such distant issues as carbon emissions, which should be addressed in other ways, she said.
    The Palin administration is skating on thin ice with such arguments, environmentalists say. The emphasis on uncertainty lines up the state against the preponderance of global scientific opinion, which foresees continued warming due significantly to human-caused emissions.
    An array of new polar bear studies released by the U.S. Geological Survey in September buttressed the case for protection, predicting two-thirds of the world's polar bears -- and all of those in Alaska -- would be gone in 50 years because of the shrinking summer ice cap.
    A decision by the Interior Department whether to list the polar bears as threatened is expected by January.
    STATE SAYS ICE MAY GROW
    The new federal studies were based on conservative, middle-of-the-road projections of sea ice loss, scientists and federal officials said. Their work was drawn from the latest report on global warming released this year by the increasingly confident Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
    In its response last week, the Alaska Department of Fish and Game conceded that middle-of-the-road forecasts were used. But the state calls that choice "selective" and the results "highly speculative." For such long-range forecasts, it would be more accurate to include all studies, including less-likely predictions that envision more ice, the state said.
    "They predetermined their outcome in choosing the models they chose," said Doug Vincent-Lang, a special assistant with Fish and Game.
    The state also challenged projections that look 45 years ahead as hazy.
    "Given the uncertainty inherent in the models," the state said, "we do not think that a listing decision should be based on climate modeling extending more than 10 years into the future."
    The state disputes the reports' certainty about how loss of sea ice, which the bears use for a hunting platform much of the year, will affect bear populations. The state argues there is a better chance that bears will adapt to hunting on land than they are given credit for.
    A spokeswoman for the USGS declined to respond to the state's criticism, saying it would be inappropriate to say anything about comments submitted during the federal comment period, which closed Oct. 22.
    More than 300,000 comments were received by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service during a first 90-day comment period and a second 45-day period that followed release of the USGS studies, said USFWS marine mammal chief Rosa Meehan.
    Environmental groups dismissed the state's claims.
    "It's embarrassing," said Deborah Williams of Alaska Conservation Solutions in Anchorage. "This is the same kind of 'uncertainty' that existed with tobacco in the 1990s. It's manufactured uncertainty. It's not credible."
    The Center for Biological Diversity, which wrote the original petition seeking protection for polar bears, said the sea ice projections might be, if anything, too cautious. In its comments, the center said last summer's sea ice receded farther than predicted in any of the 10 climate models used by USGS.
    This year's shrinkage highlighted a new concern for walrus. Thousands of the marine mammals were seen hauled out on the northern shores of Alaska, where they would normally ride the ice pack off shore.
    PALIN WANTS TO TEMPORIZE
    The USGS studies predicted more polar bears would be seen on land as the ice melts, increasing contact with humans in the short term. But Steve Amstrup, the biological team leader, said studies have shown the bears are inefficient hunters on land and do not get the nutrition they need.
    The state fears that a threatened-species listing could mean new rules that jeopardize subsistence hunting and existing conservation treaties. The state also fears restrictions on oil and gas operations in the Arctic.
    "We share the goal of maintaining a healthy and well managed polar bear population, and recognize that climate change may eventually require more active management to preserve many species, including polar bears," Palin wrote in a cover letter to Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne on Oct. 22. But a decision now would be premature, she said.
    Petitions for thousands more species could follow, the governor said, which would "drain the Service's resources away from substantive research and conservation efforts."
    Fish and Wildlife Service officials say it was made clear from the beginning that the Endangered Species Act is broad enough to protect species threatened by global causes such as greenhouse gases.
    But Fish and Wildlife Service Director Dale Hall said Wednesday that developing a management plan to cover a global problem, should the polar bears end up being listed, would be a huge challenge.
    "The Endangered Species Act was not built to deal with something like global warming," he said.
    http://dwb.adn.com/news/environment/story/9421511p-9333999c.html


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    POOR LITTLE GUY...SHE JUST DOESNT CARE
  2. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    Change!

    :laugh2:
  3. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    Did you even read that article before posting it?

    Here's her position:

    Oooooooh. Controversial! :laugh2:

    The more I hear about her, the more I like her.

    Thanks for posting!
  4. yeahyeah

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    "The new federal studies were based on conservative, middle-of-the-road projections of sea ice loss, scientists and federal officials said. Their work was drawn from the latest report on global warming released this year by the increasingly confident Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
    In its response last week, the Alaska Department of Fish and Game conceded that middle-of-the-road forecasts were used."




    "It's embarrassing," said Deborah Williams of Alaska Conservation Solutions in Anchorage. "This is the same kind of 'uncertainty' that existed with tobacco in the 1990s. It's manufactured uncertainty. It's not credible."
    The Center for Biological Diversity, which wrote the original petition seeking protection for polar bears, said the sea ice projections might be, if anything, too cautious. In its comments, the center said last summer's sea ice receded farther than predicted in any of the 10 climate models used by USGS.



    "The state also fears restrictions on oil and gas operations in the Arctic."


    And isnt the last part what its really all about Dan? OIL?
    And thank YOU for posting Danny...


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  5. Bach

    Bach Benched

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    Funny how the liberals are always more concerned about polar bears and snail darters than they are about actual human babies.
  6. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    Whatever gets in the way.
  7. yeahyeah

    yeahyeah New Member

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    Bach...I love babies...all babies and i believe they all have a right to coexist on this planet.
    We are the ones with opposable thumbs. It our duty as occupants of the top of the food chain to watch over and protect the species of this planet. We need to stop being greedy and start sticking with our promises to protect the animals of this planet. If it wasnt for us the ice would not be shrinking. Anyone who has eyes can see the goals behind this decision. This is once again about oil and not about keeping promises. We know one of the reasons Methuselah picked Palin is because of ANWR. Put the pieces together.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/science/earth/02bear.html
  8. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed...part 2 Zone Supporter

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    yesterday you probably didn't give a rats pattootie about this woman, today you're out digging up dirt and making crap up for no other reason than what "side" she's on.

    grow up dude.
  9. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    Im just letting the guy hang himself. It is so obvious why/what he's doing. ;)
  10. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    Yeayea is showing that he does not believe in Obama's message of change.

    He is doing the same old same old.
  11. Vintage

    Vintage The Cult of Jib

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    How many people cared about Obama before he became a serious contender? Doubt anyone on this board (outside of maybe someone from Illinois) really cared about him either...

    It cuts both ways.

    And that's fine.

    They've been put in the spotlight for high positions; they need to be examined.
  12. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed...part 2 Zone Supporter

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    sure you find out as you go. but the dust hasn't even settled and he's in full fledged smear mode.

    you just can't believe some people can be so... um.... you pick the word. if i pick it i'm likely to get a warning.
  13. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    Esp from the supporters of "CHANGE"
  14. yeahyeah

    yeahyeah New Member

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    Yes...putting the world out that the Icequeen of Alaska is on the ticket.

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    SO NAH!
  15. Vintage

    Vintage The Cult of Jib

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    OK.

    So what's the arbitrary amount of time that needs to elapse before he or anyone else can bring up criticism about Palin?
  16. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed...part 2 Zone Supporter

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    there's critisizm and there's "she hates polar bears".

    there's objectively talking...there's abject stupidity.
  17. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    This thread is so rediculous, that I don't want to even get involved w/ it. I just wanted to say that the poster hasn't a clue of what it all entails politically and econimcally for the state of Alaska.

    Do they (poster) know that? Nope - they just want you to assume along w/ them that Sara is somehow against Polar Bears.

    Please.....

    Some of you actually believe that nonsense.
  18. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed...part 2 Zone Supporter

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    i know the frustration of the ignorant of which you speak. : )

    just go digging and fling out anything you find. yay my side.
  19. Vintage

    Vintage The Cult of Jib

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    As far as I can tell, only one person in this thread has shown anything resembling endorsement of the original post. And that's the original poster.

    Not sure how that equates to "some." Seems to me only one person is doing the agreeing.
  20. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed...part 2 Zone Supporter

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    well i'm pretty sure the original poser (not a typo) has multiple personalities. : )

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