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Palin Stretches Truth in Campaign Speeches

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by Sasquatch, Oct 7, 2008.

  1. Sasquatch

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    Palin stretches truth in campaign speeches

    By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 20 minutes ago

    Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin tells audiences the election is about the "truthfulness and judgment" needed to be president. But the Alaska governor often stretches the truth herself.

    She has exaggerated the nature of Barack Obama's personal ties to a former 1960s radical and falsely claimed the Democratic presidential candidate plans to raise most people's taxes.

    On Tuesday, she tried rebutting the Illinois senator's criticisms of Republican presidential candidate John McCain over health care and Social Security. She said Obama was misleading and wrong, but she herself told less than the full story.

    To be sure, most of Palin's assertions about Obama echo claims McCain himself has made or lines from Republican TV ads.

    At a rally Tuesday, Palin tried to link Obama to the failure of housing giant Fannie Mae by noting that two Obama supporters once led the troubled company. The government seized Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, another housing finance company, last month to prevent their collapse from worsening the global credit crisis.

    "What's next, claiming that he didn't know two of his biggest supporters were running Fannie Mae, the subprime mortgage giant?" Palin said. "That has done harm to the American economy."

    She referred to Jim Johnson, who chaired Fannie Mae from 1991-1998, and Franklin Raines, his successor who stepped down in 2004 in an accounting scandal.

    But Palin exaggerated Obama's ties to Raines and Johnson while omitting any mention of a closer relationship between a top McCain aide and the failed housing giants.

    Raines and Johnson support Obama but do not have strong ties to him or his campaign. Johnson briefly headed Obama's vice presidential search last spring but resigned amid controversy over loans he got with help from an executive of Countrywide Financial Corp., a lender damaged by the mortgage meltdown.

    Meanwhile, until August, Freddie Mac paid $15,000 a month to a lobbying firm headed by McCain campaign manager Rick Davis. The payment came on top of more than $30,000 a month Davis was paid directly by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from 2000-2005 to head the Homeownership Alliance, an advocacy group.

    Davis has not taken any compensation from his lobbying firm since 2006, the McCain campaign said.

    Palin has made other questionable assertions:

    _She suggests Obama was disrespectful of U.S. soldiers when he said U.S. troops in Afghanistan were just "air-raiding villages and killing civilians."

    The partial quote is misleading. The Illinois senator said once, in August 2007, when pressing to send more troops to Afghanistan: "We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops" so they aren't just "air-raiding villages and killing civilians."

    Shortly before his comment, an Associated Press analysis showed that more civilians in Afghanistan had been killed by Western forces than by militants.

    _Her claim that Obama would raise most people's taxes. "The phoniest claim in a campaign that's full of them is that Barack Obama is going to cut your taxes," she tells supporters.

    Obama has promised a tax cut for those making less than $250,000 per year — about 90 percent of all taxpayers. Only those making over $250,000 would get tax increases under Obama's proposal.

    McCain has pledged not to raise any taxes.

    At a fundraiser Tuesday, Palin also pushed back against an Obama TV ad suggesting McCain's health care plan would force employers to drop coverage for millions.

    "Every middle class American family will have a $5,000 credit, tax credit, to buy the health care coverage that you choose and Barack Obama's calling that a tax," Palin said. "I don't know how he can capture this and spin it into being a tax on Americans. No, it is a credit."

    In fact, McCain's plan would tax health care benefits people receive from employers in order to finance the $5,000 tax credit. Obama's ads argue the new tax would raise the cost of insurance for employers, forcing millions off the rolls.

    In the journal Health Affairs, economists projected McCain's plan would lead 20 million people to lose employer-sponsored insurance, while 21 million people would gain coverage through the individual market.

    The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center found McCain's tax credit would be more generous than the current tax break initially but could fall behind in later years. The center also found his plan would increase the deficit by $1.3 trillion over 10 years.

    Palin also defended McCain against an Obama campaign TV ad on Social Security that began running last month in Florida and elsewhere. The ad says McCain supported Bush's plan to privatize Social Security and claims McCain supports cutting Social Security benefits in half and "risking Social Security on the stock market."

    Palin disputed that.

    "We will protect the retirement programs that Americans depend on, above all Social Security," Palin said. "No presidential election cycle is complete ... without the Democratic candidate coming down here to Florida especially and trying to stir up fear and panic on this issue of Social Security."

    McCain did support Bush's unsuccessful Social Security plan to allow current workers to voluntarily divert some of their Social Security taxes into private stock accounts. Now, McCain says "nothing is off the table" in ensuring the soundness of the program. But none of what McCain supported would apply to current Social Security recipients.

    The benefit cut comes from a separate Bush provision that would have changed how benefits keep up with inflation; independent analysts concluded this change could cut benefits by 50 percent for higher income beneficiaries who retire in 2080.

    Source: YahooNews
  2. canters

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    Noooooo,,,say it isn't sooooo. A politician stretching things????

    Why, I bet, even Barry O' has done it too,,,,,,I am apalled.

    On a serious note, she must bother you guys, because you act defensively whenever she calls Barry out. What else are you hiding?
  3. Danny White

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    That's comical.

    So let's see the "truth she's stretching" here:

    PALIN ACCUSATION: Says Johnson and Raines are supporters of Obama.

    TRUTH: According to this very article, Johnson headed up Obama's VP search team until he was forced to resign due to scandal. It doesn't address Raines, but the Washington Post stands by its reporting that Raines told them he has advised the Obama campaign on "mortgage and housing policy."

    So where's the "truth stretching"?

    PALIN ACCUSATION: Quotes Obama as saying our troops are just "air-raiding villages and killing civilians."

    TRUTH: The article then goes on to quote Obama as suggesting that our troops are currently just "air-raiding villages and killing civilians."

    PALIN ACCUSATION: Obama isn't being truthful when he claims he's going to cut taxes.

    TRUTH: Who knows... Obama has claimed he'll cut taxes, but is it the McCain campaign's job to just take him at his word? For that matter, is it the media's job to take all his campaign promises at face value? God forbid that someone look at his past record and compare that to his current campaign promises. :rolleyes:


    This AP reporter is clearly reading from the Obama campaign song book. I just don't see the lies and truth stretching here.
  4. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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  5. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    None of those charges are false. Obama said those things and he had those people helping on his campaign.
  6. Sasquatch

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    WaPo actually debunked the republican talking point that Raines is an economic advisor of the Obama campaign. What was reported was a brief, casual conversation between Raines and someone in the campaign that among other things covered that topic.
  7. JBond

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    Any fair minded individual can see what is going on. I am ashamed of the American press. Thanks for pointing out the obvious for those that can't see it.
  8. JBond

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    He was named the top economic advisor to Obama until he too had to be thrown aside because he is a dirt bag. The list of friends he has had to dump is really piling up.
  9. Sasquatch

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    "Obama has no background in economics. Who advises him? The Post says it's Franklin Raines, for "advice on mortgage and housing policy." Shocking. Under Raines, Fannie Mae committed "extensive financial fraud." Raines made millions. Fannie Mae collapsed. Taxpayers? Stuck with the bill."
    --McCain video release, September 18, 2008.

    An already nasty presidential election campaign is getting nastier. The meltdown on Wall Street has touched off frantic attempts by both the McCain and Obama camps to secure political advantage and indulge in guilt by association. Over the past 24 hours, both campaigns have issued video press releases (let's not call them ads until they actually air somewhere) attempting to show that the other side's "advisers" are somehow responsible for the crisis. The latest McCain attack is particularly dubious.

    The Facts

    The McCain video attempts to link Obama to Franklin Raines, the former CEO of the bankrupt mortgage giant, Fannie Mae, who also happens to be African American. It then shows a photograph of an elderly white woman taxpayer who has supposedly been "stuck with the bill" as a result of the "extensive financial fraud" at Fannie Mae.

    The Obama campaign last night issued a statement by Raines insisting, "I am not an advisor to Barack Obama, nor have I provided his campaign with advice on housing or economic matters." Obama spokesman Bill Burton went a little further, telling me in an e-mail that the campaign had "neither sought nor received" advice from Raines "on any matter."

    So what evidence does the McCain campaign have for the supposed Obama-Raines connection? It is pretty flimsy, but it is not made up completely out of whole cloth. McCain spokesman Brian Rogers points to three items in the Washington Post in July and August. It turns out that the three items (including an editorial) all rely on the same single conversation, between Raines and a Washington Post business reporter, Anita Huslin, who wrote a profile of the discredited Fannie Mae boss that appeared on July 16. The profile reported that Raines, who retired from Fannie Mae four years ago, had "taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters."

    Since this has now become a campaign issue, I asked Huslin to provide the exact circumstances of the quote. She explained that she was chatting with Raines during the photo shoot, and asked "if he was engaged at all with the Democrats' quest for the White House. He said that he had gotten a couple of calls from the Obama campaign. I asked him about what, and he said 'oh, general housing, economy issues.' ('Not mortgage/foreclosure meltdown or Fannie-specific,' I asked, and he said 'no.')"

    By Raines's own account, he took a couple of calls from someone on the Obama campaign, and they had some general discussions about economic issues. I have asked both Raines and the Obama people for more details on these calls and will let you know if I receive a reply.
    The Pinocchio Test

    The McCain campaign is clearly exaggerating wildly in attempting to depict Franklin Raines as a close adviser to Obama on "housing and mortgage policy." If we are to believe Raines, he did have a couple of telephone conversations with someone in the Obama campaign. But that hardly makes him an adviser to the candidate himself -- and certainly not in the way depicted in the McCain video release.

    WaPo
  10. Danny White

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    :laugh2:

    Of course they're going to try to minimize his role in the campaign now... duh.

    That doesn't make the McCain claims untrue.

    Is Raines a supporter of Obama? Yes.

    Did the Obama campaign look to him for advice before the "s" hit the fan? Yes.

    Did Raines admit that he advised the campaign? Yes.

    Was Johnson given a role in helping select Obama's VP (before he was forced to resign due to scandal)? Yes.


    Please, tell us again how this is McCain campaign misinformation?
  11. Sasquatch

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    I'm merely quoting the source that you cited to make your accusation:

    "If we are to believe Raines, he did have a couple of telephone conversations with someone in the Obama campaign. But that hardly makes him an adviser to the candidate himself -- and certainly not in the way depicted in the McCain video release."
  12. Danny White

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    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/how_close_are_raines_and_obama.html

    Raines, Obama and the Media
    By Jack Kelly

    The Washington Post is a "pretty flimsy" source of information, two Post hotshots declared in an effort to diminish a politically uncomfortable association for Sen. Barack Obama.

    Franklin Raines, CEO of the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) from 1999-2004, is the individual most responsible for the subprime mortgage crisis. It was on Mr. Raines' watch that Fannie Mae went bankrupt.

    He was accused of manipulating earnings statements so he could be paid bonuses to which he was not entitled.
    In July, Mr. Raines was interviewed by Anita Huslin, a business reporter for the Washington Post.

    "In the four years since he stepped down as Fannie Mae's chief executive under the shadow of a $6.3 billion accounting scandal, Franklin D. Raines has been quietly constructing a new life for himself," Ms. Huslin's story began. "He has shaved eight points off his golf handicap, taken a corner office in Steve Case's D.C. conglomeration of finance, entertainment and health care companies and, more recently, taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing matters."

    Sen. John McCain pounced. In an ad Sep. 18, he said: "Obama has no background in economics. Who advises him? The Post says it's Franklin Raines, for 'advice on mortgage and housing policy.' Shocking. Under Raines, Fannie Mae committed 'extensive financial fraud.' Raines made millions. Fannie Mae collapsed. Taxpayers? Stuck with the bill."

    The Obama campaign rushed out statements by Mr. Raines denying he had offered Sen. Obama advice, and by Sen. Obama denying he had sought it.

    Who was the source for Ms. Huslin's assertion that the Obama campaign had solicited Mr. Raines' advice? Mr. Raines himself.

    "I asked Huslin to provide the exact circumstances of that passage," wrote Michael Dobbs, who writes the Post's Fact Checker blog. "She said she was chatting with Raines during the photo shoot, and asked 'if he was engaged at all with the Democrats' quest for the White House. He said that he had gotten a couple of calls from the Obama campaign. I asked him about what, and he said, Oh, general housing, economy issues.'"

    But that conversation is "pretty flimsy" evidence, Mr. Dobbs said. "The McCain campaign is clearly exaggerating wildly in attempting to depict Franklin Raines as a close adviser to Obama," he said.

    Howard Kurtz, the Post's media writer, said: "(Raines) has never been a close adviser to Obama."

    The McCain campaign never said he was. The only description in the ad of the Obama-Raines relationship is a direct quote from Ms. Huslin's story. To diminish the impact on Sen. Obama of the disclosure of an unsavory association, Mr. Dobbs and Mr. Kurtz distorted what Sen. McCain actually said.

    The furious efforts of Mr. Dobbs and Mr. Kurtz to spin on behalf of Sen. Obama at the expense of their own newspaper are hilarious. But they were topped by Karen Tumulty of Time magazine, who said the McCain ad was "racist" because both Sen. Obama and Mr. Raines are black.

    "Sinister images of two black men, followed by one vulnerable looking elderly white woman," she wrote.
    Proof the ad is racist, Ms. Tumulty said, is because it doesn't mention "a far more significant tie -- that of Jim Johnson, the former Fannie Mae chairman who had to resign as head of Obama's vice presidential search team."
    That's because the McCain campaign devoted a separate ad to Mr. Johnson, Mr. Raines' predecessor at Fannie Mae.

    Mr. Johnson and Mr. Raines aren't the only figures in the subprime mortgage scandal to be connected to the Obama campaign. Jamie Gorelick, rumored to be an attorney general candidate in an Obama administration, was vice chairman of Fannie Mae from 1997 to 2003. Penny Pritzker, Mr. Obama's national finance chairman, has been described as "the Michael Milken of the subprime mortage crisis" for her pioneering of the packaging of bad loans with good ones at her now defunct Superior bank in suburban Chicago.

    "The financial engineering that created the financial meltdown was developed by the Pritzkers and Ernst and Young, working with Merrill Lynch to sell bonds securitized by sub-prime mortgages," said Timothy Anderson, a retired bank consultant.

    These connections -- and Mr. Raines' own words -- contradict the notion he was the peripheral figure to the Obama campaign Mr. Dobbs, Mr. Kurtz and Ms. Tumulty would like you to believe.

    "I no longer trust the major newspapers or television networks to provide consistently accurate and fair reporting of all the charges and counter-charges," wrote Stuart Taylor in the National Journal Sep. 20.
  13. Sasquatch

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    So you're now contradicting your own claim that "the Washington Post stands by its reporting that Raines told them he has advised the Obama campaign on "mortgage and housing policy" and calling into the question the credibility of the newspaper that you originally cited to make a point?
  14. JBond

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    There it is. Nice job DW.
  15. Danny White

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    Yes, I can read. They confirmed the conversation.

    Kurtz is now spinning the significance of the conversation for the Obama campaign, but it's clear that it took place and that the Obama campaign called Raines and asked him for his advice.

    All McCain did was quote the Post's reporting. Since Huslin hasn't said she misquoted anyone and the Post hasn't issued a retraction, the original story stands as far as I can tell. Kurtz is clearly trying to find some sort of fig leaf for his guy to hide behind, but even he had to admit that Raines gave Obama advice.
  16. Sasquatch

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    Just trying to follow your line of argumentation.
  17. Danny White

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    Here it is step by step:

    1. Post reports that Raines has had contacts with Obama campaign and has advised them.

    2. McCain directly quotes the Post to establish a link between Raines and Obama.

    3. Post reporter confirms conversation referenced by McCain ad.

    4. Liberal Hacks at Post get angry that their paper's reporting is being used in McCain ad, so they claim that McCain said things in the ad that he really didn't.
  18. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    5. sasqie swallows lib media whole and does not question it.
  19. Danny White

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    :muttley:

    Sorry, forgot that one. Thanks for the assist.
  20. Sasquatch

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    You neglected to mention using the term "advise" as loosely as possible.

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