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Philip Seymour Hoffman dead at 46

Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by StevenOtero, Feb 2, 2014.

  1. BraveHeartFan

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    Two very sad things in this. One it's sad that he couldnt kick his habit and died from it. That sucks. RIP.

    Number 2....Seeing someone list Boogie Nights as a good or great movie that he was in. That movie was not even remotely good. It was good for a laugh at how comically bad it was.
  2. Fletch

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  3. BoysFan4ever

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    I wish he had been stronger to fight his demons. He was very talented.
  4. Nomad

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    Another great movie he was in I didn't see mentioned is "Owning Mahoney", deals with gambling addiction and is based on a true story, depressing but really good.


    I think you almost have to ignore the "porn" part of it, or look at in more of an ironic/funny way I don't know. It did launch the careers of several now well known actors Don Cheadle, Julianne Moore, John C Reilly, William H Macy, Heather Graham, PhS Hoffman etc., and was Mark Walberg's first real movie. Paul Thomas Anderson is considered one of the best current directors, There Will be Blood.
  5. BraveHeartFan

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    Oh the porn part doesn't even matter to me. It's just the back drop to what I felt was a comically bad movie. There is just so much in that movie that was supposed to be dramatic, or whatever, and I found myself laughing out loud at the absurdity of the movie.
  6. Gemini Dolly

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    He was great in Capote.

    Never really was in my radar, so I havent seen any other movies he was in.
  7. PJTHEDOORS

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    He was great in Mission Impossible III.
  8. dreghorn2

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    Ooh boy, i have to disagree there, i thought Boogie Nights was a brilliantly done movie.

    I have high hopes for Paul Thomas Anderson going forward.
  9. MichaelWinicki

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    Truman Capote also was an addict.
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  10. BigStar

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    I agree and without the porn element the plot was quite boring/unappealing. A simple character with no depth who learns the ins and outs of porn in the 70s with some charismatic actors BURT, Cheadle, Moore, etc. but overall nothing more than a rise to fame flick with a taboo subject. Wonderland (Val Kilmer) about the home invasion murders that were facilitated by John Holmes was the real story behind his character/the "scene" at the time. Good movie even with Kilmer...

    This is kind of tacky considered the serious nature of the above paragraph but what I also loved about Hoffman is that he was the first to popularize the term "sharted" in Along Came Polly. He really had me rolling in that movie.



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  11. BigStar

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    Weren't most great artists and many scientists vulnerable to addiction? Recent studies show that a higher IQ is correlated with drug use.

    "The kids' IQs were tested at the ages of 5, 10 and 16. The study also asked about drug use and looked at education and other socioeconomic factors. Then when participants turned 30, they were asked whether they had used drugs such as marijuana, cocaine and heroin in the past year.

    Researchers discovered men with high childhood IQs were up to two times more likely to use illegal drugs than their lower-scoring counterparts. Girls with high IQs were up to three times more likely to use drugs as adults. A high IQ is defined as a score between 107 and 158. An average IQ is 100. The study appears in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health."

    The lead researcher says he isn't surprised by the findings. "Previous research found for the most part people with high IQs lead a healthy life, but that they are more likely to drink to excess as adults," says James White a psychologist at Cardiff University in the United Kingdom.
    http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/14/high-iq-linked-to-drug-use/

    This is the disconnect between older drugs (alcohol) being considered societally appropriate compared to the younger generations who choose different "illegal" substances to calm/stimulate their brains.
    So Much for only dummies do drugs...

    Intelligence across childhood in relation to illegal drug use in adulthood: 1970 British Cohort Study
    James White, G David Batty
    J Epidemiol Community Health 2012;66:9 767-774 Published Online First: 14 November 2011
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  12. Denim Chicken

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    Imagine if we would have invested the hundreds of billions spent in the 'war on drugs' instead on a 'war against addiction'--set up support systems, rehabilitation centers, and counseling instead of imprisonment.
  13. BigStar

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    Agree 100%. Many small time drug dealers only do so to support their habits and to not resort to robbing/stealing, etc. The Kingpins, OGs, hustlers, stick up boys (drug house robberies), are the violent threats to society (not the drugs themselves if treated medically). Yes there will be relapses, but these addicts will not be in a cell next to killers/rapists/gang members to "rehabilitate" their problem. We are perpetuating drug use and not doing much of anything to curb its use. Then society screams "what about the well being of their children...until one of their children falls into this drug addiction hole." It is a medical issue and should be treated as such.

    BTW this is not a marijuana issue this is a societal/human rights issue.
  14. BrAinPaiNt

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    What about him in Patch Adams and Cold Mountain?
  15. BigStar

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    He may have been using doctor prescribed Suboxone that many opiate addicts take to help assist with the cognitive/physical withdraws bc the extensive opiate use have already changed their brain chemistry. Many of them have slurred speech and seem "high" because there are on this "rehabilitative drug". It was a hot topic of ex junk/oxy users as a way to re-enter society because many in AA don't accept Suboxone users as dedicated to "completely clean of any and all mind altering substances". A close friend has fought these issues since we were teens and he claims Suboxone saved his life; he holds a full time job in a relatively high paying position. A lot of GRAY in the life of addiction and one generally has to experience it first hand or empathetically through a friend/loved one to understand this.
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  16. JoeyBoy718

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    I wish we couldn't only give one like per post.
  17. MichaelWinicki

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    There's probably something to that. But let's face it no matter what the profession you're going to have a % that are addicts... Yeah some profession worse that others.

    Here's one... Railroading. I've been told my several railroad workers of the 50's 60's that alcohol abuse was huge due to several reasons... the higher pay that RR workers earned (more disposable income for that sort of thing)... Long hours of doing the job, but lots of long hours within the job doing nothing... "Idle hands are the devil's workshop" I guess.
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  18. BigStar

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    I agree that some professions will naturally have more substance abusers (alcohol and illegal drugs) by the culture of the employees, the stresses of the jobs (or lack there of). This study is showing that higher IQs despite occupations/socio economic variables and still proved to be true. I have heard of the same issues occurring amongst Air Traffic Controllers (High IQs) simply due to the high stress level/strict reprimand system in place. I also am very aware that just about every kitchen staff/server staff at restaurant X is filled with drug users.

    I wasn't trying to imply that drug users are naturally more intelligent, just simply passing off substance abuse user as "dummies" isn't correct and recent studies surprisingly show the opposite. The discussion of the article believes increased drug use is more so related for the need of extra physiological stimulation (not extrovert type of stimulation) but increased/decreased cognitive stimulation to compensate for the lack of environmental and personal stimulation that would satisfy most.

    Using drugs to self medicate for Mental Illness is a whole other topic but is also convoluted in terms of the chicken and the egg cause of effect/results.
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  19. BigStar

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    I agree (would given ya a 1,000 likes) and luckily the US voting public is slowly evolving their perspective on the War on Drugs.
  20. BraveHeartFan

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    Yeah I'm likely in the minority on this. I just wasn't into it. There were moments where I actually laughed out loud at the movie though so I guess that's something.
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