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Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by hairic, Oct 8, 2013.

  1. Stryker44

    Stryker44 Active Member

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    Romo only has 2 picks all season? What??
  2. ChldsPlay

    ChldsPlay Well-Known Member

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    Looking at this, it seems pretty clear to me that Murray likely doesn't make it past the 20. He's got a safety at the 29 watching him, Travathon is looking back at Romo and if he dumps it off to Murray he's going to break off from Escobar and be right there when Demarco turns arround, and at the very least he'd slow him up giving the safeties more time to close in. I think Escobar probably gets to the 26 or 27 with a clean route/throw which is a 6 or 7 yard difference which is HUGE in this situation. I don't even think it's really a close call, Tony made the best decision, unfortunately things went wrong. I don't know how people can't see that Escobar is clearly open and the better option here.
  3. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    Well thanks but every QB has some horrible plays in games sometimes more than a few. I can easily defend Romo. The INT is only in small part his fault. The point I've been making is that the throw was unnecessary when Romo knows there is a completely safe throw. I also agree that he makes the completion IF the receiver runs a proper out route and the LB doesn't make a very good play. I also agree with others like theogt that Romo had a window to throw to esp in a timing offense. Again the point is there is no reason to take any risk there.

    I've always said Romo has to learn when he cannot afford to take risks. The only reason we had a chance in that game was Romo was having perhaps the greatest day for a QB in NFL history. He was having to make some tight throws. But you dial it back in that situation and be a caretaker when necessary. This is not a case of hindsight. The proper throw there the moment he saw that defensive formation was to go to Murray. And people are right in that we can't depend on Romo having an historic and up to then almost perfect game to be competitive. Romo contributed to the loss with a poor decision but the real culprit was the defense. And you have to give credit to Manning and that offense.

    If you want to second guess then I'd look at the play call. There's no one open downfield which is predictable with 8 people in coverage and Callahan should have known they would do that. Perfect place for stacked receivers with a S12 spread formation or the like. Much more likely to be successful. Or run the damn ball! A delayed draw or a wheel route out of that formation would have been better. But that is hindsight with the retrospectoscope.
  4. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    There is absolutely no need for personal insults esp since there have been some warnings.

    No one is saying he must throw the ball but that it is the right read to go to the underneath throw. The fact Garrett said going to Murray was the right decision says it all.
  5. WV Cowboy

    WV Cowboy Waitin' on the 6th

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    So we're saying that Romo should have known ahead of time that Murray would be there, .. because I am pretty sure he can't see him from his perspective in that picture.

    I am having a hard time thinking that Romo should have dumped it to Murray (although I wish he could have) when he could not see him. He would have needed another second or so to come off of focusing on Escobar to find Murray, .. and I'm not sure he had any more time.
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  6. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    Every pass in the NFL has some sort of risk. It wasn't the largest of windows, but it wasn't a small window, either. It wasn't a small enough window to say it was a completely risky throw. I'd wager that most QBs in that situation would choose to make that throw on that play. Saying it was an unnecessary throw is only based on the fact that the play resulted in an interception. And sure that was the worst possible result, but it wasn't because of the decision to make the throw. The decision was fine. Unfortunately everything that goes along with a QB making a decision on a play(blocking, route running, accuracy, zip on the pass and defenders actually making good plays) also occurred on that play. Those things have a far larger impact on what happened than the decision to make the throw.
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  7. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    That's why a wheel route or a sprint out would have been a better option for Murray. Romo still knows where Murray is and could have throw the ball in that direction. And incompletion is an acceptable outcome for that play. I'm not going to second guess what other things Romo could have done because that's not fair.

    I'm not understanding why people are so certain Murray would have been tackled for a short gain. I see some room there.

    But Romo could have thrown the ball to Murray and he could have reeled off 15 yards then fumbled. Or broken two tackles and taken it to their 35 or scored.

    It's hump day. Time to talk about the Redskins. We hates them.
  8. Staubacher

    Staubacher Well-Known Member

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    Actually Romo had to take risks the entire game. And he did thats the only reason we were tied 48 apiece.
  9. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    Even if Romo does know Murrary is there and uncovered, which I think is highly possible, it doesn't change the fact that Escobar was open and it was a good read to throw it his direction.
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  10. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    Again I'm not second guessing the decision to throw the ball there based on hindsight. Normally Romo makes that completion. I'm saying Romo knew the underneath was open. He should have made his reads as best he could but make the safe throw and get some positive yards then try to convert. If you have to punt then you do so. Perhaps they turn the ball over on their end of the field and we kick a FG and win.

    The game changed from a shootout to don't lose the game. If you punt and Manning gets into FG range then that's on the defense. You just can't take chances down there that late in the game with a tie score. You really have to change your mind set in that situation.
  11. WV Cowboy

    WV Cowboy Waitin' on the 6th

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    I'm leaning towards this as well.
    Even if Romo thinks he knows where Murray should be, he has to check to make sure, which would take some time.
    Perhaps Murray got held up with a block, maybe he got tripped up or something himself.

    If Romo can't see him, which we don't know for sure (it only looks like that was the case in looking at the picture) he still needs to find Murray before releasing the ball. Not sure he had that time.

    But it is true that 'incomplete' would be ok in that situation, although it would have made for a very difficult 3rd and 16.

    Giving the ball back to Manning via a punt or the INT meant pretty certain defeat for us.
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  12. Crown Royal

    Crown Royal Insulin Beware

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    Invitation accepted. I'll be over Tuesday evening (tues before Thanksgiving). Thanks man!
  13. ufcrules1

    ufcrules1 Well-Known Member

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    Well if every QB makes horrible mistakes in games then why does Romo have to learn anything? Seems like he is good enough just the way he is.

    Yeah, but all QB's make those kind of mistakes, So it's not that big of deal. He played a great game before that, so it doesn't really matter all that much.

    Absolutely you have to give Manning credit. After all, he had to almost play a perfect game to get his team the win too. His defense gave up 48 freaking points and he almost lost the game too.

    Ya think? Tony could have audibled there as well after he saw what the defense was doing. I have heard here many times that Romo is one of the best out there at reading the defense. Although, I don't know what he was thinking at the end of this game. Also, don't know what he was thinking vs KC with Dez one on one with Flowers in the endzone and Romo not even looking his way.
  14. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    I agree with that and have said so. Not the same situation there than earlier. I'm not even that critical of Tony for the throw. If the OL protects better then Tony can move around and extend the play. If the receiver runs a better route the ball is completed. If Tony's throw isn't altered by his own teammate he likely makes the throw. Not arguing he had completed tighter passes than that all day. Not saying it was a terrible decision to throw to that window. Not arguing any of that. Just going from the thread flow of the proper read which was to Murray. Get your positive yards and go to the next down.

    Tony needs to be congratulated for having an historic game. We are all privileged to have seen one of the greatest performances in history.

    I'm moving on to the Skins. I've said more than enough here. You guys can have the last word.
  15. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    No problem, that night we will actually be making ready for Thanks Giving so there will be plenty of work to be had for everybody. Not sure what we will be having but I am sure that there will be plenty of it.

    See ya then.
  16. Crown Royal

    Crown Royal Insulin Beware

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    So long as I can slather it with green chiles, it will taste amazing.
  17. Cowboy4ever

    Cowboy4ever Well-Known Member

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    I think you are making an assumption that Romo (or any quaterback) can't make in that situation. I doubt that Denver's Defense was set up to totally ignore the RB. Someone had that responsibility. It might have been one of the safeties was supposed to come down and cover that area of the field or maybe one of the Corners was supposed to have the that Short 3rd, but I would think someone would, so the pre snap read argument is not an accurate one. Romo - nor any other QB - can assume that the defender will not do their responsibility and just throw to that area on that assumption. With the defense that was lined up, it was only logical for Romo to go thru his progressions, and as such, he threw to the first read that he deemed open. It didn't work out for him for a number of reasons. I get what you are saying but I just don't think it is correct to make the assumption that Romo did not have a good pre snap read in this case. He knew where the 1 on 1 was going to be and it was a matchup that favored us for a bigger gain. I think he made the right decision in this case.
  18. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I think that if Romo decides to go to Murray if the wide open play is not there, then he hits him in stride and he steps up in the pocket to create a lane, just as he did to try and get the ball to Escobar. If you watch the play again, Murray actually sits down in the soft zone and waits for the pass that does not come but, before he sits down in the zone, he is actually looking back at Romo and running slightly diagonally, towards the Flag/Sideline. If Tony decides to go to Murray, the Ball is probably thrown earlier, Smith is never an issue and the throwing lane is there. Also, the LB never gets to Murray if he hits him in stride and the Safety will not stop him inside the 20. In fact, that Safety probably gets trucked but that's just what I think would have happened.
  19. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Absolutely! I often eat Chicken Noodle Soup and saltine crackers with Green Chile on top.


    Just kidding of course. I'm sure we can find something better then that.
  20. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Watch them on film. The minute the ball is snapped, all of the LBs start dropping into coverage. There isn't one read for the run. The safeties all stay back rather then moving forward to read run and Murray runs clean through a hole were the NT makes no effort to tackle him or even impede him. I'm telling you, Denver stopped playing the run in the 4th Quarter.

    Nobody will convince me that Romo did not know that he had Murray open underneath. He had to know, he's a 10 year QB vet in the NFL. He went another way and it cost us but if he thinks out the play before the snap, he knows that if the receive is not clearly open, then he can go to Murray and nobody will be there to make a play on the ball. He knows that, or he should.

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