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Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by hairic, Oct 8, 2013.

  1. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Your point in this post seems to be that Murray is "more open" than Escobar, which is very different from saying that Escobar is not open.

    Garrett said that without having the benefit of watching the All 22 and replays. My initial reaction from the live game was that it was a mistake and that he should have dumped it off as well. Now I have the benefit of seeing what Tony saw and knowing exactly how the play developed -- and I can now tell my initial assessment was wrong, just like Garrett was wrong in his initial assessment.
  2. WV Cowboy

    WV Cowboy Waitin' on the 6th

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    I see that now, ... if Romo throws it early enough to Murray, even though he would have still gotten his foot stepped on, that type of pass would have been more of a flick of the wrist for Tony and not impacted as much, .. and it would have been a successful play.

    Doesn't appear Tony ever thought about going to Murray though, does it?

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    No, I think Tony probably looked to his right the whole way. Witten was on that side of the field and so was Escobar. Witten came open later but he probably saw the window for Escobar and made the throw. I don't think he ever had any intentions of going to Murray but he should have IMO.

    What's interesting is the slot WR to the left of the formation. We have an outside WR, a slot WR and Escobar to the left of the formation. The outside WR runs a sideline pattern, Escobar runs a 5 yard drag pattern. Two things are interesting here. One, if Escobar snaps that pattern off and runs it correctly, then he's tackled on or about the 21. As has been discussed, that route needs to be a square in on the break and if it is, then look at where he actually should be on the field. Makes me wonder if we are correct about the sloppy route and if it was never supposed to be a square in. The route he ran makes more sense because it gains more yards. None of the routes look like they were designed to be stop routes. They all look as if they were designed to allow the Receivers to run to daylight. He may have run the route correctly. However, and this, to me, is more interesting. Look at the Slot WR to the left of the formation. He runs a kind of post route. He avoids the jam and is actually by the DB who is covering him well before the ball leaves Romo's hands. If Romo sees him, that's probably 6 because he's already beyond the Safety to his side and almost even with the Safety to the opposite side of the field with the angle. If Romo decides to go to that side of the field, his footwork is completely different and he doesn't push of from his left foot at an angle. He probably steps up and and pushes off with his right foot and again, Smith does not come into play. It's really interesting to watch this play unfold. Was actually a very well designed play.
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  4. Staubacher

    Staubacher Well-Known Member

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    I'm with ya bro - let's get the Skins!
  5. blindzebra

    blindzebra Well-Known Member

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    Murray looks open but no way Romo can see him. He does not clear the DT/Frederick/Leary until Tony begins the throw to Escobar.

    LOL people are complaining about him throwing into a tight window and you want him throwing over the CB and between two safeties.

    It was the correct read with a domino effect of factors...stepped on foot, forced higher release point, illegal contact uncalled and a nice play on the ball...none of which were Romo's fault.
  6. dboyz

    dboyz Active Member

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    Both Romo and Garrett described it as a seam route, which too makes me wonder whether or not Escobar indeed was supposed to carry it up the field as he did. Or,perhaps because there was a safety over the top, he was supposed to break it off sharply as everyone seems to think he should have done.

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Murray is open. I don't understand why you think Romo can not see him? I can't see why Romo's view would be obstructed to the point where he could not see Murray. He picks up Escobar right at about the time Escobar makes his cut. You can see this by how Romo steps up into the pocket and looks him down the entire way. Murray is right in his line of vision at that point and I don't see how anybody, from the view of this clip, can determine what Romo can or can not see there. It's just my opinion but if Romo can see Escobar coming out of his break and I think he can, then he has to be able to see Murray as well.

    On the comment about the DB and the two Safeties, I don't understand what that is referring to exactly.

    On the last comment, well, I don't agree. That's fine, we don't have to agree but I'd bet money that if Romo had to do that play over again, he would absolutely do it different. May never know though.
  8. Doomsday

    Doomsday Rising Star

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    Too bad the blocking broke down on that play, who ever was in the slot at the top of the screen ended up wide open for a possible TD.
  9. JPostSam

    JPostSam Well-Known Member

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    i can't watch that play -- in video or in that series of stills -- without screaming, "DUMP IT OFF TO MURRAY!"
  10. BAT

    BAT Mr. Fixit

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    Escobar himself admitted that he did not flatten his route.
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  11. Ring Leader

    Ring Leader Well-Known Member

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    Getting you foot stepped on, or even getting tripped by your own O lineman (which is what "really" happened) in the throwing motion is "hardly" part of every pass play. I can't even remember the last time I saw it happen to Romo. You're both trivializing and distorting the facts because they don't fit your argument. But by all means, yada yada, carry on.
  12. jobberone

    jobberone Kane Ala Staff Member

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    That's not what I said. The point was things happen during passing plays. You can't dismiss things like receivers failing down/slipping, being held etc, passed getting tipped. Those posts were to another member about specific things said in our debate. So you're not taking them in content. Of course every pass doesn't involve QBs being stepped on causing an errant pass. I'm not trivializing or distorting things at all. Read all my posts in the thread and try to actually try to understand what I'm saying instead of having an agenda of your own.
  13. Ring Leader

    Ring Leader Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you that many things can, do and unfortunately did happen - none of which made the pass to Escobar a bad decision, just an unfortunate result.
  14. dfense

    dfense Well-Known Member

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    I don't think Romo could see Murray. 3 or 4 lineman were between them.
  15. Venger

    Venger Well-Known Member

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    The Denver LB ran the router sharper than Escobar. Protection was not good on that play - no excuse to give up pressure to a 3 man rush, no excuse to even let the pocket buckle. I know we don't like pressure throws, but at 2nd and 16 and in danger of making it 3rd and 22, I know why Romo makes a throw there.
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  16. jobberone

    jobberone Kane Ala Staff Member

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    I've never said once in this thread or another it was a bad decision. It was more risky than to Murray and wasn't worth the risk compared to the pass to Murray. There was no reason to go to Escobar under those circumstances.

    Water under the bridge now. Beat the Redskins.
  17. DallasDW00ds0n

    DallasDW00ds0n Well-Known Member

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    ughhh Murray is so opennn
  18. ConstantReboot

    ConstantReboot Well-Known Member

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    Not assuming a timeout is wasted. Calling a timeout at that time would have been productive and not wasteful. Best time to call a timeout is when your deep in enemy territory after a sack. Besides we had all our timeouts plus the 2 minute warning. As far as eating the clock - well Garrett should have and could have ran the ball on 1st time if you wanted to eat the clock. But NO. Garrett failed during crunchtime like he failed in many close games in the past.
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  19. Cebrin

    Cebrin Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you. You can clearly see where Tony threw the ball was in expectation of him running to the right, not up field. I'm honestly not sure what Escobar was thinking? Escobar didn't run his route correctly if you ask me. Nice play by the defender nevertheless.

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