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  1. RS12

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    1. Patrick Chung, Oregon (SS) 5-11, 208
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 2
    Post-Combine Skinny: Great workout. GREAT workout. The 4.47 was a major boost to put him among the top defensive backs overall and might have been enough to solidify a spot in the second round. The 25 reps on the bench didn't hurt, either.
    Positives: Can do everything well at either safety position. Could play corner in a pinch … The type defensive back to build a secondary around … Tremendous tackler. Doesn’t miss.
    Negatives: Might struggle a wee bit in deep coverage. He lacks elite speed … Not huge for a strong safety … Physical play worked in college, but it might not be enough, because of his size, in the NFL.

    2. Louis Delmas, Western Michigan (FS) 5-11, 202
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 3
    Post-Combine Skinny: It was an impressive workout that showed he belongs among the top safety prospects. The 4.49 was better than most corner, and he was ultra-quick through the short drills. Now he's known for being athletic as well as a big hitter.
    Positives: Experienced veteran leader who produced against everyone … Huge hitter. HUGE hitter … Fast enough to play corner, a big enough popper to play strong safety.
    Negatives: Goes for the kill shot too often. It gets him in trouble … Not necessarily a form tackler … A bit lanky. Could use a few more pounds of muscle.

    3. Sean Smith, Utah (FS/CB) 6-4, 214
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 5
    Post-Combine Skinny: Easily one of the biggest stars of the Combine, he might now be viewed as a very big, very athletic corner. However, he could also be used as a devastating free safety after checking in a 6-4 and 214 pounds and tearing off a silky smooth 4.47.
    Positives: Excellent size. If he ends up at corner, He’ll have dream size … Surprisingly quick for being so long. Cuts like a much smaller defender … Good instincts even though he doesn’t have that much experience.
    Negatives: He’ll have to find a position right away. He’ll likely be looked at as a corner, but his future will be at free safety. Will he be able to master one spot? … Has an NFL-sized opinion of his skills … Not great against the run. Won’t provide much pop.

    4. Rashad Johnson, Alabama (FS) 5-11. 203
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 1
    Post-Combine Skinny: He appeared to be a bit thicker than he was in college and he ran a solid 4.54. He was athletic enough to start to convert those who don't believe in his basic skills. However, he's a free safety and not a pure strong safety.
    Positives: Tremendous worker and a great leader … A playmaker. Made things happen as the star of a strong defense … Good closing ability when the ball is in the air.
    Negatives: Not an elite athlete. A better football player than he’ll be in any workout … Not all that big. Not a huge hitter … He’ll have to get bigger and stronger or there might be a ceiling on what he can do.

    5. Otis Wiley, Michigan State (FS) 6-2, 213
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 7
    Post-Combine Skinny: He didn't work out, but he measured a rock-solid 6-1 and 213 pounds. If he can show off decent athleticism and come in around 4.55, he'll make himself a lot of money.
    Positives: Extremely fast for his size … A playmaker. Always made things happen as a free safety … Great tackler who always gets around the ball.
    Negatives: Only a free safety. A disaster his junior year at strong safety … Will have to show he can provide steady run support … Doesn’t always play up to his size.

    6. David Bruton, Notre Dame (FS) 6-2, 219
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 10
    Post-Combine Skinny: It was a special workout from a high-rising prospect. He was big, fast, and smooth with a 41.5" vertical, an 11-foot broad jump, and a lightning quick 60-yard drill. Originally considered a late second day prospect, he looked like a second rounder.
    Positives: A standout on the Irish D with a great combination of size and speed … Excellent tackler. Looked like he was playing at another level at times … Great character. Will bust his tail to get better.
    Negatives: Not a tone-setting hitter. A good hitter, but not an elite one … Needs to be a more consistent tackler … Will have to show he can stay with an NFL receiver.

    7. Courtney Greene, Rutgers (SS) 6-1, 212
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 12
    Post-Combine Skinny: He had a really nice weekend. The 4.54 was strong, and he appeared to be a natural as he motored through the short drills. It was the workout that proved he belonged in an NFL backfield, and with his size, it was a workout that showed he could be special with a little bit of work.
    Positives: Exceptional athleticism … An intimidating force. Makes big hits … Good speed and quickness when the ball is in the air.
    Negatives: Tends to go for the big hit over the routine play … Short. Tough, but short … A strong safety at the next level. His skills likely won’t translate to free.

    8. William Moore, Missouri (SS) 6-0, 220
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 4
    Post-Combine Skinny: This was going to be when Moore stopped the free-fall of his stock. It didn't happen. The 4.53 was good enough, but he didn't appear to be too smooth and he didn't stand out.
    Positives: The prototype. He has the size and athleticism to make NFL scouts drool … Fast. Has no problem staying with any receiver … Good at coming up with the pick. Great break on the ball.
    Negatives: A major, major disappointment in post-season workouts coming off a subpar final year … Tried to hard to come up with a big play and missed the easy ones … Would’ve been a top 15 pick after his 2007 season. The stock has dropped.

    9. Derek Pegues, Mississippi State (FS) 5-10, 199
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 6
    Post-Combine Skinny: It was a disappointing workout considering his potential. He ran a 4.62, but he came up with a nice 23 reps in the weight room. He appeared to be trying to do too much. He should be better in private workouts.
    Positives: Versatile veteran who dominated against the best of the best in the SEC … A major-league playmaker. Deadly with the ball in his hands on special teams or after a pick … Physical for his size.
    Negatives: Small. It wasn’t a problem in the SEC, but it might be in the NFL … Won’t provide a major-league pop … He’ll have to prove he can be consistent against the run against the bigger players.

    10. Michael Hamlin, Clemson (S) 6-2, 214
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 8
    Post-Combine Skinny: It was a decent workout for his size. Known for being a big hitter and a physical player, he was relatively athletic in the drills. The 4.6 in the 40 was expected, but disappointing. A 4.55 would've made a big difference.
    Positives: Versatile. Can play either safety spot … Excellent tackler. Extremely physical … Great against the run. Doesn’t miss.
    Negatives: Needs to get bigger. He has to hit the weights hard … Not an elite athlete. Might be a free safety playing strong safety, or vice versa depending on his workouts … Will need to prove he’s fast enough on deep balls.

    11. Chip Vaughn, Wake Forest (FS) 6-1, 221
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 13
    Post-Combine Skinny: He was flying through the short drills like a much smaller player. With his size and speed, he showed off all the raw tools to potentially be a starter. He looked the part.
    Positives: Clutch. A good playmaker when things get tight … Strong with an NFL body. Big-time hitter … Good athleticism and enough speed to get by.
    Negatives: Not a fluid athlete on the field … Is a free safety, but plays like a strong safety … Might need a bit of work. Not instinctive.

    12. Darcel McBath, Texas Tech (FS) 6-0, 198
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 15
    Post-Combine Skinny: He's the type of player that everyone wants. He wants to be a top player, he'll work for it, and he ran well with a 4.57. He was quick enough in the drills and did them effortlessly.
    Positives: A leader. He took charge of the back seven … A great combination of speed and size … A playmaker both against the run and against the pass.
    Negatives: Not a popper. Tackles, but doesn’t hit … Isn’t the best athlete … Not quite physical enough to scare anyone at the next level.

    13. Kevin Ellison, USC (SS) 6-1, 227
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 9
    Post-Combine Skinny: It wasn't good. The 32 reps on the bench might make him more of a linebacker, and the stunningly slow 4.82 in the 40 secures it. Now he has to find a spot to play.
    Positives: An experienced veteran who was a leader on a defense full of leaders … Strong and extremely tough. Very physical … Takes great angles. Doesn’t waste many steps.
    Negatives: Bad knees … A pure strong safety. Not athletic enough to play free safety after the knee injuries … Not great at going after the ball when it’s in the air.

    14. Curtis Taylor, LSU (FS) 6-2, 209
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 11
    Post-Combine Skinny: It was a good enough Combine to earn him longer looks. He came up with a huge broad jump of 10'9", but the 4.64 in the 40 was a problem. He looked faster and quicker than he actually was.
    Positives: An NFL body, even if he’s a bit lanky … Big hitter. Will explode into the ball-carrier … Moves well for his size.
    Negatives: Marginal instincts. Seems to have to make up for mistakes … Doesn’t do enough to get to the ball when it’s in the air … Tries too hard to make the big pop.

    15. Jamarca Sanford, Ole Miss (FS) 5-10, 214
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 14
    Post-Combine Skinny: The 4.48 made him a player worth looking into. The 29 reps made him one of the stars of the weekend. While he's a bit short, that didn't seem to matter after showing off his surprising athleticism.
    Positives: A veteran. Plenty of experience … Great hitter. Pops like a much bigger player … Great motor. 100% worker.
    Negatives: Not big. Not quite fast enough to be a top free safety, and not bulky enough to play strong safety … A player. Not a difference maker, but a player … Won’t impress in workouts.

    16. Sherrod Martin, Troy (S) 6-1, 198
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 22
    Post-Combine Skinny: He made a big name for himself as one of the quickest defensive backs in Indianapolis. The 4.52 was more than good enough at safety, but the 3.98 shuttle and 6.6 cone drills were special.
    Positives: A top-shelf safety in college, he projects to be a physical corner … A very productive playmaker against everyone … Excellent upside with good raw skills. Speedy and strong.
    Negatives: He doesn’t have a position. Versatility not necessarily a plus … Needs major technique work on either position, corner or free safety … Not a huge hitter for being a safety.

    17. C.J. Spillman, Marshall (FS) 6-0, 197
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 16
    Post-Combine Skinny: Known for being ultra-athletic, he didn't disappoint. He ran a good 4.5 to punctuate the 41.5" vertical leap and 11.27 60-yard drill. He was one of the best athletes at the Combine.
    Positives: Good speed and quickness … Moves extremely well. Effortless … Tough. Willing to stick his nose in against the run.
    Negatives: Mediocre in pass coverage … A good hitter, but not a consistent tackler … Not huge. A free safety. Not a strong safety.

    18. Stephen Hodge, TCU (SS) 6-0, 234
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 19
    Post-Combine Skinny: One of the stunners among the defensive backs, he didn't look like an athletic free safety in the drills, but he ripped off a 4.49 in the 40 and came up with 22 reps in the weight room. At 234 pounds, he has the size to go along with the surprising speed.
    Positives: Fast for the position. Great on the move … A star special teamer. He’ll make a roster on that alone … Big time hitter. Brings the thunder with every tackle.
    Negatives: More of a linebacker than a true safety … Will have to do far different things in the NFL than he did at TCU … Fast, but not necessarily quick.

    19. Bradley Fletcher, Iowa (FS/CB) 6-0, 196
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 21
    Post-Combine Skinny: No one will know exactly where to put him, but he might be the type of prospect who someone will fall in love with. He could be a lightning fast safety after running a 4.47, or he could be a big corner.
    Positives: Great size for a corner. Was fantastic in post-season all-star workouts and practices … Will likely make his money as a nickelback or free safety. Will be a great centerfielder … Can hit and move.
    Negatives: He doesn’t have a position … Not experienced. Only got it done for one year … A good tackler, but not an intimidating hitter in any way.

    20. Marcus McClinton, Kentucky (FS) 6-0, 210
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 23
    Post-Combine Skinny: A physical, tough defender, he needed to show off a little speed. He did it. The 4.56 was more than fine for the type of player he is, and now he might be a fast strong safety and not just automatically considered a free safety.
    Positives: Was productive and has the tools … Great tackler who’s extremely physical … Great closing speed.
    Negatives: Major character concerns … Always banged up. Hits too big and gets hurt … Doesn’t play up to his talent level.

    21. Emmanuel Cook, South Carolina (FS) 5-9, 197
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 17
    Post-Combine Skinny: A linebacker trying to play safety, he ran like a linebacker with a 4.61. It'll be hard to find a spot for him after this workout. He didn't show anything to make him look like a starter.
    Positives: Major league hitter. Pops like a linebacker … Veteran starter who saw it all in the SEC … Extremely quick. Blows through a ball-carrier.
    Negatives: Small. Too small … Not quite quick enough to be an elite free safety. A strong safety who’ll need to play free … Character issues.

    22. Troy Nolan, Arizona State (SS) 6-1, 207
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 18
    Post-Combine Skinny: He'll make his money as a hitter. The 4.62 didn't help his cause, but speed isn't his game. He wasn't expected to work out well, and he didn't.
    Positives: An excellent hitter … Great playmaker. Aggressive in all phases … Like an extra linebacker.
    Negatives: Not all that athletic. Won’t work out well … Tries to go for the big play too often … Lacks instincts. Isn’t always efficient to the ball.

    23. Lendy Holmes, Oklahoma (FS) 6-1, 206
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 20
    Post-Combine Skinny: For a player who projects to be a free safety, the 4.71 40 was a disaster. Some might have thought of him as a big corner. They don't any longer.
    Positives: Great athlete. Fast to the ball … Can be used in a variety of ways. Can be a big corner in an emergency and could also be used as a pass rusher … Tall. Rangy.
    Negatives: Not quite a big enough hitter to star at safety … Character. Off-the-field issues with schoolwork … More of a corner playing safety.
    24. Reshard Langford, Vanderbilt (SS) 6-1, 210
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 24
    Post-Combine Skinny: Wasn't At The Combine
    Positives: Excellent tackler. Very physical … Tough. Plays through everything … Good at making plays. Gets the job done.
    Negatives: Lacks the tools. Isn’t enough of an athlete … Not big enough to be a consistent strong safety, and way too small to think about linebacker … Will get caught up in blocks.

    25. Kevin Akins, Boston College (SS) 6-2, 218
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 25
    Post-Combine Skinny: A jack-of-all-trades at Boston College, the position question was answered in a resounding way in Indy ... he's a linebacker. And a slow one. He might still be thought of as a strong safety after a quick 60-yard drill, but the nightmarish 4.83 40 ended most hopes of being a regular in the defensive backfield.
    Positives: Physical enough to play linebacker at BC, and athletic enough to play corner at times … Good athleticism for a defensive back of his size … Could grow into a linebacker with more time in the weight room.
    Negatives: A prospect. He doesn’t have a pure position … Not physical enough to be a linebacker without more work … Needs to be a star special teamer to stick.
  2. DaBoys4Life

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    How can this be? Sean Smith isn't the #1 ranked Safety what he's the greatest thing since sliced bread....:rolleyes:
  3. TheCount

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    :laugh2::laugh2:

    Hell, I'm surprised Chung isn't ranked #20 and Moore isn't dead last.
  4. Bob Sacamano

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    this is the 2nd site where I've seen that Smith isn't the type of tackler you want at safety
  5. SLATEmosphere

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    Sorry, I want my safety to play coverage and make plays..not be a linebacker. I'd rather have a safety be a ball hawk with questionable tackling skills(Ed Reed) than a one trick pony thumper(Chung/RW).

    Look at Chung's and Smith's strengths and weaknesses. They are polar opposite. Depends on what you want. An undersized linebacker that gets beat deep but plays in the box? Or an Ed Reed that just makes plays and shuts down people, and questionable tackling?
  6. Silverstar

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    I thought about putting Greene in my mock instead, but I like the fact that Vaughn can run a 4.51 at 221lbs. At that weight, he's more suited for SS than Greene imo.

    I'll stick with Vaughn in the 3rd.
  7. Manwiththeplan

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    Not every in the box safety is com parable to roy williams. Troy Polamolu is an in the box safety as well as Adrian Wilson. Neither would excell if asked to do the same things as Ed Reed. Yeah Ideally I'd love to have a deep safety, but it would be a waste to play them as SS or a mistake to move Hamlin to SS.
  8. Bob Sacamano

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    we already have a poor man's Ed Reed

    Ken Hamlin
  9. jterrell

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    various thread thoughts:

    No way I'd rank Chung first at safety.
    I watched every DB drill they showed on NFL network and he looked solid but not overly athletic.

    Delmas looked outstanding.

    I also saw the Senior Bowl and thusly would drop Chung and Moore for their performances there.

    Sean Smith is the new "prototype" safety. He can man cover and will be able to run plays down.

    I'd love to have the next Troy Polamalu but not many guys his size can tackle the way he does.

    We pretty clearly need a guy who can provide top notch coverage skills and still make tackles. Doesn't need to be knockout blows, just solid open field tackles.

    I'd like for us
    1) Delmas
    2) Rashad Johnson
    3) Sean Smith

    ... but Smith will be gone off the board in late round 1 imho as a CB prospect.
    So I am hoping Rashad or Delmas last to 51 which may well be a pipe dream.
  10. jterrell

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    That would not be a poor man's Ed Eeed that would be a bankrupt man's Ed Reed. :D

    Reed has 43 career INTs to 14 for Hamlin.

    Reed has 5 TDs and Hamlin 0.
  11. SLATEmosphere

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    I'm falling more and more in love with Delmas everytime I watch him. I think the Bob Sanders comparisons are right on point. He's lengthy though but can still put a pop on anyone..not to mention he's pretty solid in coverage. I hope he's still there, he's gunna be sick in the NFL.
  12. DaBoys4Life

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    Since when has Ed Reed had questionable tackling?
  13. SLATEmosphere

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    SInce he was in college. Poor tackling techniques. I suggest you go watch film on him making tackles in the open field. His angles are god awful at times. He's Ed Reed because he has 43 picks in his career and makes huge INT's at critical times.

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