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Prisco: Top 32: JaMarcus at No. 20? Crazy, but not that crazy

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  1. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Shut up and play! Staff Member

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    Four weeks away from the NFL Draft means it's time to update the CBS SportsLine.com Top 32.

    One item that might shock you is how far down I have LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell. I do think he will go in the top five, quite possibly No. 1, but I don't see that type of ability.

    He has a cannon for an arm, can make all the throws and has great size. Heck, he looks like a tackle playing quarterback.

    I just don't see the pinpoint passing, the great timing of the throws or his feel for the pocket. He's careless with the ball, at times, and he struggled against the better college defenses.

    Can he develop into a quality NFL quarterback? You bet. Would I take him with the first overall pick? No way.

    As of now, I have him rated at the 20th-best player. That's much lower than anybody else doing these lists, but during the 2006 season you would have been hard pressed to find a scout or personnel director who had him rated as high as they do now.

    That's what scares me about his rise -- one great bowl game changed many minds. That's stupidity.

    I watched that Sugar Bowl game against Notre Dame, and Russell looked good against a bad Fighting Irish defense ... not hard to do.

    Vaulting him up draft boards based on one game is dangerous. Vaulting him up based on his workout -- which was good -- is also dangerous.

    Does everybody who's now raving about his arm conveniently forget the scouts also raved when Kyle Boller threw a football through the goalposts while on his knees at his Pro Day workout?

    Oakland Raiders coach Lane Kiffin made a good point this week. He said Russell's big arm is great and all, but also asked how many times quarterbacks throw the ball 70 yards in a game? Answering his own question, he said twice.

    The big arm can be sexy, and Russell's is that. But there is much more to playing the quarterback position. Go ahead, tell me I'm crazy.

    But at least I'm sticking to my conviction, rather than getting all caught up in his rocket throws during a workout or one bowl-game performance.

    1. Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech -- The more you hear about him from scouts, the more you get the idea he's as close to perfect a prospect as you can get. He will be special.

    2. Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma -- He had an amazing Pro Day workout, which we expected. He will be a lot like Eric Dickerson.

    3. Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame -- After observing him at the combine, I'm convinced I'm right that he's the best quarterback in this draft. He's next in the Tom Brady-Peyton Manning class.

    4. Joe Thomas, T, Wisconsin -- He is a prototype left tackle, and their value is big in the draft. He excels in pass protection, which teams crave.

    5. Jamaal Anderson, DE, Arkansas -- He has the speed that teams love off the corner. His athleticism is enticing to all the scouts.

    6. Alan Branch, DT, Michigan -- Some scouts downplayed his workout at his Pro Day, saying he was out of shape. But he's a force in the middle. At 330 pounds, he will clog things up in a big way.

    7. Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson -- Here's another speed rusher who will come off the board early. He can attack the quarterback.

    8. Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville -- At 19, he is just now growing into his body. His quickness off the ball is Warren Sapp-like. His future is enticing.

    9. Levi Brown, T, Penn State -- Thomas gets all the attention, but this guy might not go far behind him. He is a nasty player who plays with a mean streak.

    10. Ted Ginn Jr., WR, Ohio State -- Many scouts are knocking him down some because of his injury. I don't buy it. He's a game-changing receiver who is a little raw but will be a star, with coaching.

    11. Leon Hall, CB, Michigan -- He ran faster than many expected at the combine, which solidified his spot as the top corner.

    12. Marshawn Lynch, RB, California -- Lynch has big-play speed and he can catch the football. People are dropping him down their lists, but they shouldn't.

    13. Reggie Nelson, S, Florida -- He has range and the ability to cover a little better than LSU's LaRon Landry, which is why he's higher. Some scouts think he will need to tackle in the hole better than he has in the past.

    14. LaRon Landry, S, LSU -- He's a great specimen, but he doesn't look as fluid as Nelson. Looking at him, though, he has all the tools.

    15. Jarvis Moss, DE, Florida -- At 6-foot-6, 255 pounds, he has explosive speed off the corner. There are some character issues.

    16. Patrick Willis, LB, Mississippi -- He is a big tackler who dropped on a lot of boards until his Pro Day workout. I really like this kid.

    17. Adam Carriker, DT, Nebraska -- He has bulked up to 305 pounds and is more of a 3-4 end or 4-3 tackle. Whoever gets him will be getting a player that goes non-stop all the time.

    18. Greg Olsen, TE, Miami -- He ran an eye-opening 40 time at the combine, which vaulted him up team's boards. He's clearly the top tight end in a weak class.

    19. Lawrence Timmons, LB, Florida State -- He might be better than former Seminoles LB Ernie Sims, who played really well for the Lions last year. His workouts haven't been great, but he plays much faster than his 40 numbers.

    20. JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU -- Yes, he has a big arm. Yes, he's huge. But I still have reservations about the way he plays the position. He threw into coverage a lot against good defenses and he's careless with the ball.

    21. Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC -- I know he ran a 4.62 this week, but he plays faster than this. Don't make the mistake of thinking he's another Mike Williams.

    22. Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU -- This long strider really came on as a senior and will continue to improve. He is so smooth.

    23. Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas -- He does a nice job in coverage and has the speed to play man in the NFL. He's a fast riser.

    24. Anthony Spencer, DE, Purdue -- Here's another speed rusher who will get pushed up higher because of that ability. He plays hard and will be a 4-3 end or a 3-4 outside linebacker.

    25. Ryan Kalil, C, USC -- He's the class of the center position. He's not huge, but he gets by with great technique.

    26. Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State -- He's the type of linebacker you pencil in as a starter for 10 years and don't worry about that spot.

    27. Ben Grubbs, G, Auburn -- He is a quick, athletic guard who gets off the ball with plenty of quickness. He will grow into a Pro Bowl guard, which isn't so bad considering the money non-Pro Bowl guards are getting these days.

    28. Aaron Ross, CB, Texas -- He is a risk-taking corner who should excel as a man-coverage player in the NFL. Some scouts think he doesn't tackle well enough, but I tend to think he's good enough at it. Coverage is more important anyway.

    29. Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee -- Any teams looking for a speed threat have to look at Meachem. He will be a better NFL player than he was a college player.

    30. Darrelle Reavis, CB, Pittsburgh -- He ran a 4.4 40 at his Pro Day workout, which alleviated some doubts of the scouts. He can also excel as a return man.

    31. Justin Harrell, DT, Tennessee -- He missed most of last season with a ruptured biceps tendon, but at 6-5, 300 pounds, he has the skills to be a force in the middle. He showed well at the Tennessee Pro Day, which will help his draft stock.

    32. Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami -- He is a playmaker who has the speed to play corner. He might be downgraded some for his part in the Miami-FIU brawl, but he will be an impact player.

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  2. Avery

    Avery The Dog that Saved Charleston

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    Don't agree with the rankings myself though I agree that Russell is second best QB in the draft.
  3. HardHittingRoy31

    HardHittingRoy31 New Member

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    I personally think Russell is overrated. Another Leftwich in the making.
  4. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I gotta tell ya, I just don't see it either. I watched LSU and I will admit that Russell had some decent games but I am not a guy who can honestly say I saw a Franchise QB, Carson Palmer type player. I mean, I just don't love the guy. I think he has exceptional ability but I don't see him as the best QB in this draft. Of course, the draft is usually not about what a player has done in college but about what they think he can do in the NFL. Based on that, maybe, but I still would not take this guy #1 over all. I liked Young, Cutler and Lienart all better last year.
  5. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    Ugh... If I hear this one more time... :mad:

    Somewhere out there, Sarge is agreeing with me.
  6. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Somewhere out there so is ABQ. The only difference is that I don't think he's Dickerson. I think he's more like George Rodgers but I do think he will be great.
  7. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    I'm surprised he has Meachem as the #5 WR listed. That is also lower than I would have expected.
  8. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Strange that his biggest problem with Russell was his accuracy, yet he still has Quinn ranked 3rd. Quinn is often atrociously inaccurate, and Russell had a much higher completion percentage, despite playing against better competition.

    Overall Passing Stats
    Russell:
    Completion percentage: 67.8
    QB Rating: 167.03

    Quinn:
    Completion Percentage: 61.9
    QB Rating: 146.65

    Hmm, but Prisco might be making a good point. Those numbers may be inflated by playing against bad defenses. So let's look at the defenses that Russell and Quinn faced....

    Average Opponent's Pass Defense Rank
    Russell: 39.85
    Quinn: 53.9

    Number of Top 10 Pass Defenses Faced
    Russell: 3 (2 other top 25 pass defenses)
    Quinn: 1 (1 other top 25 pass defense)

    Performance against top 25 Defenses:
    Russell
    Completion percentage: 71.6%
    QB Rating: 267.56 (NCAA); 131.41 (NFL)

    Quinn
    Completion Percentage: 56.8%
    QB Rating: 120.38(NCAA); 79.39(NFL)

    So, which one performs poorly against good defenses?
  9. Muhast

    Muhast Newo

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    Heres a stat for you.

    In games Quinn lost 20 tds -9 ints
    In games Russell Lost 2 tds-6 ints

    With these qb's I really just thinks its a tale of two D's.

    Quinns D was constantly giving up points whereas Russells let him have a more relaxed gameplan. I mean watching Bowe highlight reels it seems as if they threw nothing but screen routes to him lol.
  10. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Nevermind all of the come from behind wins that Russell manufactured. Sure, he must have been just coasting along, relaxed in those games. But you may have a point in that Jamarcus may have been the beneficiary of a much better surrounding cast. I can hardly see that's sufficient to have Brady Quinn ranked ahead of him, much less by 17 spots.
  11. RealCowboyfan

    RealCowboyfan Championship

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    JaMarcus Russell goes at 20 and Cowboys get L.T. from Chargers. lol.
  12. TDH

    TDH Benched

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    we do this every year. we take the 2 top qb's and make them top 5 talent. Sometimes its justified, like last yr, other times its not. I dont think either of these guys will make good NFL qb's. The odds are with me. They are both WAY overated b/c of the position they play.
  13. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    That's true. Most years teams draft QBs higher than athletes of other positions. That's just because franchise
    QBs are coveted so. I guess for good reasons although you can make arguments against that.

    So much for drafting the BPA unless he's a QB. Or perhaps a CB. Or maybe a WR.
  14. the kid 05

    the kid 05 Individuals play the game, but teams beat the odds

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    i personally believe all the QB's in this years draft are overrated
  15. ThreeSportStar80

    ThreeSportStar80 Benched

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    LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, Russell is by FAR the best QB in the draft. All the guy did was win games at LSU in the toughest conference in college! Prisco has NEVER been a very good sports journalist....
  16. Hostile

    Hostile Tacos are a good investment Zone Supporter

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    If the Raiders take him at #1 I think it will be a big mistake. Not because he can't play. Moss is a disruption for them. Take the Packers offer or the Patriots offer or find another offer and get rid of the albatross.

    Take Calvin Johnson #1 overall. The guy is hands down the best talent in the Draft and passing on him is stupid. I don't think #2 is even close. Draft a QB in the 2nd round and shore up the OL with the rest of the draft. Sign a vet to give the rookie time to grow into the job.

    For me, it has nothing to do with how much potential Russell has. Passing on Calvin Johnson is like taking Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan.
  17. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    LOve how the Russell people on one hand say how great he was against a poor Irish D. They do not mention that Russell had bad games against most top Ds. They downgrade Quinn for the same- despite the fact that Russell had a much better Defense, AND a much better O line. BQ was running for his life this last year against even mediocre Ds.(once again RYAN HARRIS SUCKS) Not to mention trailing in all but 3 games last year. 10 games he had to come from behind and he won 7 of them. WIth a lousy D and a lousy O line.
  18. Teague31

    Teague31 Defender of the Star

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    Rusell= Akili Smith
  19. ZeroClub

    ZeroClub just trying to get better

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    The wrong situation can kill the strongest of prospects (e.g., David Carr in Houston) and the ideal situation can get the most out of lesser prospects (Tony Romo).

    Russell is a great prospect. He's got that "man among boys" thing going for him.

    If he gets the time to develop that Steve McNair or Tony Romo got, watch out.
  20. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Shut up and play! Staff Member

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    Not so much overrated as just not very strong.

    When you go by the Top 5 QBs in Gosselin's list, only two of them are considered franchise, with major question marks, and the rest of them are a bunch of maybes.

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