Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by fatboygixxer, Jun 8, 2013.
We are going to sorely miss #9 when he finally hangs 'em up.
Which wont be for several years thankfully...to the rueage of the haters.
Of the 3 games you mentioned Romo had 5 turnovers in those games. He didn't play near well enough to get a win against Washington last Dec. That was a terrible performance by Romo in a game that had the division tile on the line and a playoff birth. He had 3 turnovers in that game and only completed 54.1% of his passes which was well below his 65.6% season average. He finished the game with a 55.9 passer rating which was his worst passer rating game of the season.
Of Alfred Morris's 200 yards rushing almost 70 of those yards came after Romo turnovers. Granted the defense played awful in that game but Romo's 3 turnovers kept putting the defense back on the field which didn't help their cause any. Yes Patrick Crayton dropped a big pass vs the Giants during the 07 playoffs but Romo only completed 50% of his passes that day he wasn't sharp. Against Seattle in the 06 playoffs Romo did play well enough to win. He outplayed Matt Hasselbeck but as we all know the game is remembered for Romo's mishandling of a snap on what might have been the game winning FG in the final minutes. It's going to take a SB ring for Romo to ever live that play down it's the play he's most remembered for. Jackie Smith was a HOF player who had many great games but he's only remembered for a dropped pass in the endzone in the SB.
Had a play like that occurred during week 5 of the regular season no one would even remember it and the same for Romo's mishandled snap. Against NY in the season finale in 2011 with the NFC East on the line and a playoff birth Romo didn't play bad but he missed some plays and had 2 turnovers. He missed a wide open Dez early in that game that would have led to a big play. Joe Montana is considered by most the greatest QB to ever play because of how he performed when it was all on the line. He had some bad games during the regular season where he looked hapless at times it happens to all QB's but when it was all on the line he played his best games.
Some forget that he turned the ball over 3 times vs the Cowboys in the 81 title game but when the game was on the line with less than a minute to play he pulled off one of the most memorable plays in NFL history. No one remembers his 3 turnovers we remember the one play to Clark that won that game. Most of Montana's greatest plays happened in the games with titles on the line. It's the plays to Clark and John Taylor to win the SB and Montana's 4 SB rings that defined his career. Those are the moments that QB's are judged by and are put into a time capsule. Romo has made some spectacular plays during his career but he can never make those amazing plays when the Cowboys season is down to do or die. Some of his absolute worst plays have come in the games that matter most.
He has 12 turnovers in the 7 elimination games he's played in. He's been a very good regular season QB but his do or die performances have been consistently marred by turnovers and poor play. These are the facts his stats and the results of those games don't lie and if some FANS can't accept it or simply want to close their eyes to it they're more than welcome to continue living in denial.
So much good stuff in there. I agree. The highlights do not give me comfort when "Washington" happens and you give the ball away multiple times. I am still stunned with what went down in Washington. He looked rattled from the first snap.
I see ol KJJ rushed in to take a nice healthy dump on this thread.
Hope you feel better bro!
At least we do know he's not a true hater like 4-5 or notorious open raround here. Just frustrated, I'm sure who has had Tony's back occasionally, believe it or not.
Tell me how many regular season elimination games Tom Brady has had.
This is what we call a self fulfilling prophecy.
Romo's team stinks, and though he puts them in a position to be able to make the playoffs, more often than not they fail to do so. Better quality teams don't even put their QB in this position, and thus the idea of regular season elimination games doesn't apply to them at all...
Romo is if anything a victim of his own talent and success.
No need to get personal I made a truthful response to a comment made about Romo try following the trail. If hearing the truth about Romo bothers you add me to your ignore list. I don't hate Romo in the least I support him and have had his back plenty on this board check my archives. Some here simply have an agenda to focus on the negative comments I make concerning him choosing to ignore all the many positive comments I've made in support of him. Carry on!
Certainly last year that team had no business being in an elimination game.
You're right, the irony is that Romo gets far less grief if they go 6-10 and he doesn't drag them in to contention-- only to lose on the road to a red hot team that was much better prepared in week 17
Using Tom Brady's regular season elimination game record to defend Romo's performances in elimination games is ridiculous. LOL Tom Brady has appeared in 5 SB's which ties a record for SB appearances by a QB and has won 3 of them. He's considered by most as one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game. His elimination game performances speak for themselves. Has he won them all? No, but he's won a large number of them which is why he owns 3 SB rings. It's those 3 championships that have defined Brady's career.
Romo had a 13 win team in 07 that dominated the NFC during the regular season and twice defeated the team that went on to win the SB that year are you saying that team stunk? He had an 11 win team in 09 that finished that season with 2 consecutive shutouts and a blowout win over Philly in the playoffs did that team stink? Has it all been Romo's fault that the Cowboys keep coming up short every year absolutely not but he's contributed with a number of turnovers in critical games and inconsistent play. The Romo we're seeing in the highlight reel never shows up in the games that are do or die.
To say Romo is a victim of his own talent and success is silly. What causes him to receive so much criticism is his ability to produce and play at an exceptionally high level during most of the regular season only to watch his game come apart when it's down to win or go home. Just giving you the facts. When we start seeing highlight reels that include some great plays in the playoffs and SB that end with Romo hoisting the Lombardi trophy that's when the perception of him will change.
I actually complimented you.
You're the one being sensitive.
I specifically said you are not a hater and have had Romo's back in the past....looks like you failed to read the entire post before reacting.
I know you're not UFC.
My point was that it seems if someone posts something fun and positive about Romo, there are those that just can't help pulling out those handful of bad games to blow it all up....as if we are not excruciatingly familiar with each of those losses already.
Romo receives so much grief because of his poor performances in do or die games. He's only performed at a high level in one elimination game and to no surprise the Cowboys won that game. He was TERRIFIC vs NO the week prior to the season finale in Washington last year. He passed for 416 yards, completed just over 60% of his passes, tossed 4 TD's and had NO turnovers. His passer rating was 123.8. Had he played even close to that level vs Washington the following week the Cowboys would have won easily. What causes so many to scratch their heads with Romo is his ability to play so incredibly well one week then completely fall apart the following week when it's all on the line. This is why he has the "choker" label.
His 123.8 passer rating vs NO was his second best passer rating of the season but he followed it up with his worst passer rating game of the season when the Cowboys season was on the line. Romo had three 400 yard games last season when he's on he's as good as any QB in the league but it's these turnover filled poor performances in CRITICAL games that cause many not to respect him. Everyone knows he's an excellent QB during most of the regular season but he never plays nearly his best when it matters most. It amazes me how so many Cowboy FANS appear completely dumbfounded as to why he receives so much criticism. Open your eyes people!
After you make some remark with eleven smilies. Who do you think you're kidding?
What you talking about, houndog?
Did my post hit a nerve?
You would like to think it hit a nerve. But I am just pointing out that you don't let anything go. You scream hater at the drop of a hat.
All it takes is for someone to bring up Romo's failures and you are there with the hater label.
I hate Romo, too!
You called me out claiming I took a dump on this thread you call that a compliment? You said I wasn't a "true" Romo hater so you're not exactly excluding me from being somewhat of a hater. You construe being critical of a player as hate? I got news for any of those who try and spin I'm a "Romo hater" they couldn't be more wrong. Pointing out a players shortcomings and being critical of certain performances isn't hating on that player it's called being honest. If some see it as "hate" that's their problem.
I have posts all over this board supporting Romo as the Cowboys QB. I'm sorry that some can't handle candid discussions about him the facts are there for those who choose to see them. He can be a GREAT QB at times who gives the team an opportunity to win every week that's why he received the contract he did but he never has it when it's down to do or die. He doesn't deal with big game pressure very well. Some FANS here just can't seem to find it within themselves to admit it.
They're either in denial or they're blind because it's become a trend with Romo. They choose to apologize for every mistake he makes and put the entire blame on the team. Anytime there's a discussion on Romo the good and the bad are going to come up. There's a Tony the great and a Tony the terrible. He can be the greatest QB you could ever see and a week later be the worst QB you'll ever see. There's a tale of 2 Romo's the good and the bad. FANS need to accept that and stop attacking those who recognize it and choose to acknowledge it.
What standard would you like to compare him to then?
The year Romo went 13-3, he lost to the Giants by 4 points... The same team that went on to win the Super Bowl... the same team that he beat twice earlier in the year. He also beats them if Crayton doesn't quit on a route.
Again, listen when someone breaks something down for you.
You've created a statistic that only applies to Romo, and it only applies to him because unlike other QBs he has to fully carry his team on his back.
Define a do or die regular season game.
By it's merits it would almost certainly have to be a game in which your team is 8-7 or 9-6 going into the final game of the season.
What quarterbacks would you like to compare Romo to that have similarly faced these types of games.
Using Tom Brady's elimination game record to defend Romo's is simply ridiculous when Brady has 3 SB rings and will be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Tom Brady has more skins on his wall than Romo has wall space. Romo played terrific vs the Giants in both regular season meetings in 07. He tossed 8 TD passes combined in both games. He never completed less than 62.1% of his passes and never had a passer rating lower than 123.1. When it was down to do or die between the Cowboys and Giants later that season Romo only completed 50% of his passes and his passer rating was 64.7. When it was down to crunch time between the 2 teams Romo didn't have it that day. It's been a trend ever since.
Sure Crayton's drop was big but to say that lost the game is a stretch. This is just an another example of how FANS try and steer any of the blame away from Romo. He was clearly not sharp in that game and deserved some of the blame for the loss as does Crayton and the entire team. You're the one who needs to listen when someone breaks something down for you. The elimination game statistic applies to Romo so heavily because of how good he is during less critical games. It's puzzling to everyone how he can look so terrific throughout the regular season then end up laying an egg with a playoff birth on the line.
The fact that he can play great in week 16 but terrible in week 17 when it's down to win or go home has put him under heavy scrutiny. It's given him a choker label. I'm not sure I've ever seen a QB who can play as well as Romo does during most of the regular season then turn around and play so poorly when it's all on the line. There's been a big fluctuation in his play from the less critical games during the regular season to the do or die games at the end of the season just compare his stats.
This is why there's so much focus on his elimination game record it's been awful and his stats reflect his poor performances. If there's still a tomorrow he plays fine but if there's not his game comes apart. It's like he has an evil twin that shows up in these elimination games. Against Washington in the season finale he looked NOTHING like the QB we saw a week earlier vs NO. He played good against Pittsburgh a few weeks earlier but when it's do or die he's simply not the same QB. Hopefully that will finally change this season we'll have to see.
For a game to be a do or die regular season game or considered an "elimination game" it has to be do or die for both teams involved. Both teams have to be facing the same fate win and you're in lose and you go him. They're like playoff games. Romo has been involved 3 season finales that were do or die for the both the Cowboys and their opponent. These were "elimination games."