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"Outing" CIA folks...

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by lewpac, Apr 24, 2009.

  1. lewpac

    lewpac Benched

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    Remember the hissy-fit that the Dems and Libs threw when they made Valerie Plame their "lets get George Bush" tactic de jour?

    Even though it was all a lie to cover for her traitor husband, every uber-lib Dem in Congress lost their frickin' minds over the "outing" of Valarie Plame....which turned out to nothing of the sort.

    Now, "outing" of the CIA is in vogue, modern, cool and hip. Suddenly, if we don't support undermining our National Intel. folks, you're "out of step" and "un American.

    Funny thing this new America of "change and hope"...........
  2. CowboyFan74

    CowboyFan74 Cowboys Analyst

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    More castrations:mad::mad:
  3. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    Can't wait for this mistake to end.
  4. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    There is no crime or treason from Declassifying memos and documents through proper channels.

    However ousting a Covert CIA agent through the media and denying doing it is another story.

    And yes according to the investigation, the DOJ Special Counsel Fitzgerald found that she was in fact covert at the time and that is in his report.

    According to Fitzgerald:

    First, it was clear from very early in the investigation that Ms. Wilson qualified under the relevant statute (Title 50, United States Code, Section 421) as a covert agent whose identity had been disclosed by public officials, including Mr. Libby, to the press.
    While not commenting on the reasons for the charging decisions as to any other persons, we can say that the reasons why Mr. Libby was not charged with an offense directly relating to his unauthorized disclosures of classified information regarding Ms. Wilson included, but were not limited to, the fact that Mr. Libby’s false testimony obscured a confident determination of what in fact occurred, particularly where the accounts of the reporters with whom Mr. Libby spoke (and their notes) did not include any explicit evidence specifically proving that Mr. Libby knew that Ms. Wilson was a covert agent. On the other hand, there was clear proof of perjury and obstruction of justice which could be prosecuted in a relatively straightforward trial.
  5. SuspectCorner

    SuspectCorner Bromo

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    :spanking: < You go, BP.
  6. lewpac

    lewpac Benched

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    The only thing "covert" about Plame was her sex life in the bedroom.

    Her and her old man are text book stooges for the political left lime light. They saw their window for their "15 minutes of fame" and milked it to the hilt. Two political whores..................

    Bottom line...................where did it get them? If these two idiots were Republicans during the Clinton embarrassment, PMSNBC would've had them strung up and hanging from a tree before the sun came up..........
  7. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    You can hem and haw and spew political rhetoric along with them after the fact...it does not however change the fact that according to the special counsel for the DOJ assigned to that investigation...she was at the time considered Covert Status.

    It is shocking that so many still believe she was not and argue that she was not.
  8. arglebargle

    arglebargle Well-Known Member

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    Well, this sort of thing would have been anathema to conservatives and Republicans in the '60's-90's. Compromising intelligence agents and their chain of field work was something laid at other's doorsteps. So when it happens, in house, there must have been some good reason for it, right??

    Unfortunately, this was the MO for action against anyone who broke ranks. Given the track record, I can't see why anyone would even wonder whether they would do something like this.
  9. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    From the moment Plame married a FORMER US AMBASSADOR she could NO longer be used as a covert agent. That little FACT somehow got missed in the whole mess.
  10. DIAF

    DIAF DivaLover159

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    How is that? Is there some sort of rule against making someone covert if they have a higher-profile spouse?

    I think the stories of her and her husband openly talking about working for the CIA are much more damaging, although they couldn't be proven.
  11. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Another little FACT. Buried deep in Fitzgeralds final report he admitted that there never was any real crime committed in outing Plame. That was why no charges were filed. All they got was stupid Libby who forgot that in Washington its not what starts it all that catches you= its the cover up.
  12. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    It is understood in the world of intelligence gathering and the world spys work in that you cannot have anyone connected to either a current or former diplomat involved. The whole diplomatic immunity thing then gets a whole lot more messy.
  13. ThaBigP

    ThaBigP New Member

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    If you believe that, then why are you not waiving pitchfork and torch in the air demanding former SecState Colon Powell's chief of staff be indicted? He, after all, was the source of the leak. Not Libby, the fall guy. He was indicted for "perjury", in which his testimony did not match that of a reporter's. Neveryoumind that that same reporter's testimony did not match that of other reporters. It was cherry-picked to get an indictment.

    Where the leak actually came from, Armitage:

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/30/leak.armitage/index.html

    Fitzgerald *knew* who the real leaker was, yet declined to persue any charges, and instead focused on the process crime of mismatching testimony in regards to Libby.

    *If* the case that her "covert" status was so air-tight, then why no actual indictments over the actual charge that actually started the mess against the actual person who actually leaked, allegedly in violation of the covert-ops statute?
  14. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    I already knew Armitage was the leak. I am not waving pitchforks either.

    The point I was makings is the OP ranting and raving about something perfectly legal thorough proper channels and complaining about dems whining about the plame situation in the past. Two totally different scenarios.
  15. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    The original intent was to protect overseas CIA agents from exposure which several lefties did do in the 70's. Somehow the covert status got expanded to include those that never left the US or ever actually acted in a covert operation. From all evidence I have ever heard, Plame was never ACTIVE as a covert agent. And technically the CIA is not supposed to operate in the US anyway. Though that kind of got ignored over the years.
  16. sacase

    sacase Well-Known Member

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    First, I work with a former CIA Chief of Station, who would argue differnt.

    Second, if your married to an ambassador, your no longer in "Cover" status.
  17. Rogah

    Rogah Well-Known Member

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    The whole Plame thing was blown way the heck out of proportion. Was it proper to release her name? No, it wasn't. But let's not act like she was working deep undercover in the Kremlin and then get a date with a firing squad or anything like that.
  18. DIAF

    DIAF DivaLover159

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    Obviously. The special counsel had what, 2 years and all he could come up with was a weak-*** lying under oath charge against Scooter Libby?
  19. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    The libs made such a big deal about how much white water cost. Did anyone ever count up how much plamegate cost- and they got one single lousy conviction there?
  20. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    Exactly which CIA agent was "outted" by name? :huh:

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