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"The Great Society" and the "New Deal" were horrible failures.

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by JBond, Aug 29, 2008.

  1. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    History has shown both of these socialist liberal democratic plans are massive failures. There is no debate about that. It is very obvious to everyone. What I'm wondering is what type of bloated misguided program is Obama try to force on the American people? How much more money is he going to take from my family to redistribute for the purpose of buying votes?

    To you libs out there. How much is enough? How much of my money should I have to give the government to squander? How much should my family have to surrender and suffer to please liberals?
  2. Vintage

    Vintage The Cult of Jib

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    Ah yes, the misguided libs label.

    Economic liberalism and democrats have nothing in common.

    I am a firm believer in economic liberalism.
  3. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you to a point. Unfortunately there are far too many Republicans such a George W. that have bought into the idea of buying votes with crazy government programs. Medicare/Medicaid, social security, welfare, food stamps and on and on. None of these programs are constitutional, and none of them have done a thing to fix the basic problems.

    Anyway, I'll keep clinging to my guns and religion here in Kansas and continue to support people who believe the way I do.
    ;)
  4. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I actually think these programs had a place in time, the problem is as times changed these programs did not.
  5. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    Thats how I think as well .... FDR never meant for them to be a permanent thing.
  6. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    I have never seen a government program get smaller or cheaper or even disapear completely. They take more and more and more money from those that have earned it.

    The road to hell is paved with "good intentions". Nothing good comes from taking my money and giving it to someone else. Thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
  7. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    Yep...once they get power it is hard to get it back from them...and it usually winds up getting perverted or abused instead of getting better.
  8. Vintage

    Vintage The Cult of Jib

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    Obviously, the answer is more gov't regulation and control...


    ;)
  9. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I agree but considering what the country was going through at the time they needed to act and do so quickly. As a moderate conservative I don't care of Government programs but given the situation at that time they did what needed to be done. Best analogy I can think of is it is like trying to save a patient who is in critical condition you do what you need to do to save the life and deal with the consequences later. It is easier to make the judgement call now in 2008 than it was 1932
  10. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    That's a well thought out response, but in 1932 it was the very poor decisions made the by government that led to the horrible conditions.

    A present day analogy would be the home loan scandal. The government forces banks to lower their standards for loans and then act surprised the industry is teetering on collapse when undeserving people default on their loans. A government created problem with a worse government solution for a problem they created. Thats what happens when you rely on others for your own welfare.
    ;)
  11. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    All I can say is it saved many americans butts my grand parents included which is why many who lived during FDR administration thought highly of Mr. Roosevelt. As for the condition they were already in bad condition before he took office. I'll just say it was a different America at that time in our history. I think the same programs today do more harm than good
  12. Vintage

    Vintage The Cult of Jib

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    Your message will ring hollow here.

    There are very few of us who hate large gov't spending. Brain is another.

    We are a small, dying breed.
  13. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Everyone wants to suck on the sacred cows udders.
    (I can't put it the way it is since it would violate the boards rules on language)

    What the New Deal did do was give people hope when there was very little. Sadly, it as government programs ALWAYS do, expanded way beyond where it should have been and was never killed off when it needed to go.
  14. Ben_n_austin

    Ben_n_austin Benched

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    You got that much right. The new deal was a failure, but the new conservatives have this country spending more money than ever before. How much money should I have to squander to the neo-cons? Currently, they're spending more than ever and this country's debt is larger than under any liberal. But you didn't remark on that.

    I guess you think Bush's term has been a success?

    It's funny how people still think we're in the olden days as if the parties still represent the same ideals as before. It's like you want to move forward in a world that doesn't change while keeping the same definitions for parties as the issues change.

    This line of thinking makes no sense.
  15. yeahyeah

    yeahyeah New Member

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    Ben Ben Ben.....they are trying to draw a comparison between Obama and socialism...stop peeing in their Kool-Aid with all this LOGIC stuff.
  16. Ben_n_austin

    Ben_n_austin Benched

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    Yes, I'll stop using my noggin to appease the mudslinging propagandists. Seriously, a few of them have not mentally matured since a few days after JFK was shot. As coincidentally as Dallas being the location of JFK's death, I coincidentally am not as dumb as they'd have you think.

    Grow Horns! ;)
  17. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Love how the libs suddenly claim to be fiscally responsible. Like that has ever happened. It was only Gingrich and his guys that forced Clinton into the balanced budget times of the late 90s. And then when he left we got the same old same old with Hastert and company, and I readily admit that as regards spending they were just as bad as the democrats. sadly Bush did not seem to care much and went along with it.
  18. yeahyeah

    yeahyeah New Member

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    1) Let me impart some knowledge...not that you are that big on reading anyway. This is a CATO Institute article from '97. It lays out the TRUTH of the matter....STOP LISTENING TO LIMBAUGH


    "President Clinton has repeatedly expressed anger and frustration that he has not gotten enough credit for the dramatic reduction in the budget deficit in recent years. With federal red ink now projected to fall below $40 billion this fiscal year, White House spinmeisters are claiming that the disappearing deficit vindicates Clinton's embattled 1993 record tax hikes.
    Meanwhile, on the other side of Pennsylvania Avenue, Budget Committee chairman John Kasich is crowing that it has been the GOP commitment to a balanced budget that has slowed the red ink in Washington to a trickle. Since fiscal year 1995, when Republicans seized control of Congress, the budget deficit has fallen by two-thirds.
    Stephen Moore is director of fiscal policy studies at the Cato Institute.




    So just who deserves the credit for the nation's improved fiscal health, President Clinton or the Republican Congress?
    The surprising answer: neither of them. The 1993 tax increases did reduce the budget deficit, but not by nearly as much as the White House claims. The best evidence of that is found in the Congressional Budget Office baseline deficit forecast released just before the Republican Congress enacted its first budget blueprint in April 1995. That forecast gives us a snapshot of the "Clintonomics baseline." The accompanying chart shows that the deficit was expected to hover at or above $200 billion well into the next millennium."

    http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6107




    2) EXACTLY...modern Conservatives are not conservative..."Conservative" used to refer mostly to their fiscal stance...just not the case anymore. So you guys have no room to talk about big government or more programs or socialism...you Borg have followed President Bush in lock step
  19. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Yeah Yeah. I was around when this happened, unlike you who even if you were were more then likely a typical liberal and oblivious. Without Gingrich there never would have been a surplus.

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