History has shown both of these socialist liberal democratic plans are massive failures. There is no debate about that. It is very obvious to everyone. What I'm wondering is what type of bloated misguided program is Obama try to force on the American people? How much more money is he going to take from my family to redistribute for the purpose of buying votes? To you libs out there. How much is enough? How much of my money should I have to give the government to squander? How much should my family have to surrender and suffer to please liberals?