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Raiders DE Desmond Bryant would be a good 3-4 DE

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by supercowboy8, Nov 14, 2012.

  1. Ultimategamer5567

    Ultimategamer5567 Member

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    This. Our own Jason Hatcher had - count 'em - 4.5 sacks last year. What does that tell you?
  2. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    Smith and Seymour are towards the end of their careers, but in their prime as 3-4 ends, they put up between 6-8 sacks routinely.

    Haloti Ngata is more of a NT. He plays DE because Baltimore has had other good NTs to pair with him (kelly gregg/terrence cody/Ma'ake Kemoeatu) and he has the athleticism to collapse a pocket, but his game resembles a NT more than a DE.
  3. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    Which would've been great if the guy opposite him was 6+
  4. jday

    jday Well-Known Member

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    Seriously? I'm not even going to argue with you. Not worth my time.
  5. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    You can go back and look at the stats, most teams that run a 3-4 have atleast 1 DE who puts up sack numbers that make the whole "only there to occupy blockers" argument laughable.
  6. Rack Bauer

    Rack Bauer Federal Agent

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    He's the exception, not the rule.
  7. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    What about the 8 calias campbell put up last year? Just a fluke? What about the 7.5 that Justin Smith put up last year? Something in the water?

    While JJ Watt is out producing even the best 3-4 DEs, it's laughable for anyone to say the sole responsibility of a 3-4 DE is to occupy blockers.
  8. jday

    jday Well-Known Member

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    You are missing the point of my initial post.
  9. BAT

    BAT Mr. Fixit

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    Your initial post said that 3-4 defensive stats are misleading because the DL in a 3-4's SOLE function is to occupy blockers. This is false.

    The DL's role in a 3-4 depends on the type of 3-4 that is used. This statement may be true for the Fairbanks 3-4, but this system is practically obsolete today. And even in its heyday with the NYG, Leonard Marshall was racking up the sacks from that position. He had THREE double digit sack seasons (15.5 was his most) and THREE more seasons of 8+ sacks.
  10. Shinywalrus

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    The problem with the OP is even more fundamental. Watch Hatcher's assignment on any given drive on All-22. Freeze before every play and just look.

    Any game that I've charted has Hatcher lining up at several different techniques with vastly variable assignments. The idea that there is a prototype role for 34 defensive ends that has anything to do with soaking up blocks on every play is extremely outdated.
  11. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    I believe it all depends on the type of 3-4 you're running. I'm not expert on the subject, as I've never coached it in any fashion, but it seems to me that they're all different in their styles and approach.
  12. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Good post and good "scouting".

    I pulled up the Season Pass (All-22) and reviewed him in the last 2 games.

    He is the primary backup/rotational DT for the Raiders. The starters are 2 big money guys, Richard Seymour and Tommy Kelly.

    The Raiders play primarily a 4-3 front, but do run some variations on occasion.

    Bryant got the start against the Ravens with Seymour out. He played primarily as the RDT, but he did move around on a few plays.

    I was impressed with Bryant. He is very good at shooting the gaps as a pass rusher and appears to be strong against the run.

    His build (6-6 ,310) would be a perfect fit as a 3-4 DE. If he was on the Cowboys roster this year, I think he would be their best DE.

    I have no idea what it would cost to sign him. If the Raiders keep Tommy Kelly, then I would expect Bryant to look for a starting job on another team.

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