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Ray Lewis on Owens

Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by DLK150, Aug 2, 2004.

  1. ARMAGEDDON EAGLE

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  2. ARMAGEDDON EAGLE

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    Couldn't have said it better AJM :D
  3. Joshmvii

    Joshmvii Cowboys baby!

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    I'm not worried about our QBs. I'd be worried about your RBs. Remember what Roy did to Emmitt last year? That's Westbrook this year.
  4. AJM1613

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    Remember what Westbrook did to Roy last year? :D Or Ritchie? Or Buckhalter?






    Sorry you set me up for that one... :D
  5. Tio

    Tio Armchair QB

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    Why dont you answer your miss on Garcia?
  6. AJM1613

    AJM1613 New Member

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    What are you talking about?
  7. Tio

    Tio Armchair QB

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    You critiziced my view, and I assumed it was about Garcia=Mcnabb. Look at this...
  8. AJM1613

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    Well, Garcia had Owens, McNabb had Thrash.

    Look at Garcia's numbers from last season.

    Last season Garcia was:

    225/392 (57.4) for 2704, 18 TD and 13 interceptions (80.1).

    McNabb was:

    275/478 (57.5) for 3216, 16 TD and 11 interceptions (80.4).

    Over the last 10 games:

    184/288 (63.9) for 2362, 14 TD and 5 interceptions (98.5).

    This topic has been beaten death, that is the reason why I didn't respond.
  9. Tio

    Tio Armchair QB

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    Id take garcia over the last few years over what ever mcnabb is capable of...
  10. AJM1613

    AJM1613 New Member

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    Personally, I am the other way around.
  11. Tio

    Tio Armchair QB

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    Uhh, i hate the 40 whiners, because I am a cowboy fan.
  12. Henry

    Henry New Member

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    Sorry, i just have to chime in here real quick because I see this nonsense about Westbrook all the time from Eagle fans. You DO realize that a situational back is going to average more ypc than an feature back, don't you? For his career Westbrook has only carried the ball 10 times or more in four games, and never more than 15 in a game EVER. He's never had a 100 rushing-yard game. He's only broken 100 total yards three times. You simply cannot claim he's better than any back who's proven capable of carrying the load as an every down player, who's proven he can do the job week-in and week-out.

    That gaudy ypc average is nice and all, but it proves nothing in terms of how well he can shoulder the load. Tell me how Westbrook is when he averages more than 8 carries a game.
  13. AJM1613

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    I will, but right now Westbrook's "situational" rushing stats are all we have to go by to judge him, because he was never given the chance. This is the first time in his career that he will become the feature back. He isn't proven but does that mean he isn't as good as all of the "proven" halfbacks in the NFL? Is Troy Hambrick better than him because he is "proven"? Why didn't we pick him up? Is James Stewart better because he is "proven"? Why havn't we picked him up? Is Eddie George better (now) because he is "proven"? Is Emmitt Smith better (now) because he is "proven"? Is Trung Canidate better because he is "proven"? That is a terrible way to judge a back.

    I have seen him play a lot last season and some of his moves are amazing, Barry Sanders like, but no he isn't "proven". Hopefully we will have more to go by come October.

    But you also hate the Eagles, probably more than the 49ers and do not fully understand what McNabb is capable of.
  14. Tio

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    And you love the eagles, and overate mcnabb.
  15. AJM1613

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    I overate McNabb if you judge QBs by stats, but if you judge them by what they do for a team, then I don't.
  16. ARMAGEDDON EAGLE

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    RW DIRTY-ONE,

    You are a quick one when it comes to catching On! Hell yeah we Love the

    Eagles, we always have ... during those dark days (at least for us) when the

    C'boys dominated the NFC East, the NFC, and the Super Bowl, when the

    C'boys had some big Hall o fame players, destroying everything that put On a

    football uniform, ...we Loved the Eagles! True, we're not quite there yet,

    we're just dominating the NFC East! But we're working on it, and we're

    chipping away, and guess what ... you're quick ...

    WE STILL LOVE THE PHILADELPHIA EAGLES! ;)
  17. Henry

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    It isn't any more terrible than looking at yards per carry. Claiming Westbrook's 41 yards on 8 carries a game proves he's better than even an average 1000 yard back is ludicrous. If that and few barry-esque moves are all you have to go by to judge him then you can't judge him yet.

    BTW, Trung Canidate has proven nothing. He rushed for 600 yards with us, his career year. :)
  18. Tio

    Tio Armchair QB

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    You just insulted AJM...
  19. AJM1613

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    Westbrook had 970 offensive yards last season and 12 offensive touchdowns (155 touches). He also had 793 special teams yards and 2 special teams touchdowns (43 touches).

    He did all this on 198 touches (1763 yards).

    Because that is all we can judge him on, I think it is fair to think that he is better than an "average 1000 yard back", especially the way he moves.

    I credit him for turning our season around last year against the Giants and winning the Redskin and Buffalo game (in Buffalo he ran for a 62 yard TD in the fourth and in Washington he ran for a 19 yard TD in the fourth).

    Players also have to be judged on what they do for the team.
  20. ARMAGEDDON EAGLE

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    Are you losing your mind over this C'boy QB matter? Have you been hanging out with the wrong crowd? :eek:

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