Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Yuma Cactus, Jan 12, 2013.
We have Carter and Lee... Speedy LBers are the key to stopping that garbage.
Lets sign Vince Young!
As said earlier, why not just blast the QB every time no matter what. Put him out of the game or make them stop running it that way.
The Begnals did this
Then RG3 adjusted.
Once he handed the ball off to Morris Grif would simply throw his hands up and run away from the hand off.
Defenses aren't going to be in the business of giving away 15 free yards every play.
RG3 never got injured on a read option play. His injuries were on scrambles from traditional passing sets, the concussion, the Ngata hit, the tweak in the 1st quarter against Seattle and the final play on a bad snap.
Just a matter of time. Hit him repeatedly until he can't get up.
RGis in for a short career.
Blasting the QB no matter what will incur multiple unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. The next step from there if it continues is ejections. I can't see any DC thinking that's a viable gameplan.
I think it takes some willful ignorance of football history to assume any scheme is impossible to stop. Someone, somewhere will find a way.
2 gap defenses is what originally came about to counter multiple option backfields. LBs were freed from having to make decisions and just followed the ball.
Problem there would be a lack of pass rush.
I agree with the addition though that even though it is stoppable, when properly executed it can be as much of a staple in a playbook as a power run or deep ball. Some people make it sound like there is a magic bullet on defense to stop it, there isn't. DCs will study and learn what personnel package works best against it, then the OCs will have to find ways to attack the defense when its in that package. it is just part of the ongoing chess match in the nfl. Next year will be interesting to see if it proliferates, or whether the same few teams run it into the ground.
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Sure it sounds great to punish the QB every time, but there's no way this league is going to allow you to run in and crush the QB a second or two after he's handed it off. These offenses aren't quite like the old veer/wishbone options being run way down the line with the QB pitching it at the last second. Most of the time the QB is handing it off a few yards deep in the background, and if he does keep it, there's usually no pitch man.
I much prefer how Seattle employs the Read-Option. They intergrate into the offense but it does not at all dominate their play calling. Wilson is under center or in the the shotgun (w/o RB) a lot of the time. And then it's very clear that the run portion of their R-O is almost (not quite) a last resort.
Wilson has a chance to have a much longer career as a result.
I think every team wishes to be that balanced.
The Redskins reliance on the read option has more to do with the lack of talent in offense than anything else. Outside of Garcon, the receivers were mediocre. The OL is good at run blocking, but well below average at pass blocking. Forcing a defense to simply react, and often react incorrectly, instead of trying to dictate the flow of the game, can help hide big deficiencies in your roster.
Seattle and San Fran are in a better place talent-wise, and didnt have to go to the well as often. I'm hoping the Skins can upgrade at RT and WR, at least, while improving the defense this offseason. Doing so will allow Kyle to call more of his traditional offense in 2013.
I don't think it is a fad at all. I do think like most offense it will evolve, there are aspect of the pistol that is very attractive. People act as if it is the wishbone where the QB holds the ball to the last second taking the big hit before pitching it that is not the case.
Teams using it seem to be able to run and pass out of the offense very effectively.
Again like most offense it will change but many aspects will remain. WCO for instance no one if running the pure form of it even coaches who currently runs the so called WCO have made the same claims but there are enough aspect of the offense that it is referred to as the WCO
Cause they'd flag you.
They said the same thing about the Wishbone ... but Jimmy Johnson and his 4-3 in Miami figured it out. After JJ showed how to beat it both the wishbone and I formation options died off.
True but then the wishbone was never an offense that produced much in terms of passing. Those Neb teams and other teams running the wishbone where not good passing teams. The pistol does allow for a good passing attack using 3 WR and a TE. Most option of the past where soley running attack this offense isn't.
Yeah this is where it's getting teams. The passing part of it.
While all that stuff is going on in the backfield you have receivers running their route.
I personally think it's here to stay because of the type of players College football is producing.
The only thing that will stop it is if the teams themselves don't want to risk their QB.
You may see less of it in the regular season but even these teams like Washington who want to get away from it will go back to it when it's win or go home time.
Often time the QB is really not exposed these are major opening that the QB can run and as long as they are sliding or getting out of bounds it is less of a risk than a QB who is being forced to scramble for his life.
Also the running aspect of it still falls more to the RB than the QB and because of the passing element of the offense it is easy to show a look take a step back and fire it to the open man should defense try to come up on the run.
It is the balance of the offense that makes it hard to defense. Unlike the old time option which was one dimensional centered on the run game
Is the read option the same as the wishbone? I really wish people would understand that every new offensive philosophy isn't automatically a gimmick destined to go the way of the wildcat.
It reminds me of the mentality of people who got upset as the NFL began to pass more in the late 90's. Just like the much older generation of players who said the last two decades wasn't "real" football because players were specialist and didn't play both ways. Just shows a complete lack of vision, stubbornness and an inability to understand what they're watching.
I don't know if it will die off, i.e. be stopped. However, I imagine defensive coordinators will figure out ways to slow it way down as compared to this season.
This year, as is always the case with new things on offense, is the year that the pistol was at its most effective. Nobody was ready for it and defenses had to adjust on the fly. Later in the year, they had more tape on it, but still not enough time to really dissect it. Teams had a week... after they played the previous offense they were preparing for and before the Redskins/Seattle/SF game. That just isn't much time to break it down.
A few teams did play against the pistol in two games this year however, and I think in most cases (if not all), the defense did much better their second time against it.
Now, they'll have all offseason to work on it. They can look at how good college defenses slowed it down and talk to their colleagues in the college game. They can also look at the other NFL teams and what was successful against it. Defensive coordinators form a close knit fraternity, and ideas will get passed around all spring and summer. Then, each coordinator will throw in their own ideas and they will slow it down.
Will they stop it to the point of where team's completely stop doing it? That remains to be seen.
What we do know however, is that it will never again be as effective as it was in 2012 when defenses were ambushed by the new tactic. Defenses will be more ready for it and the offenses will lose the element of surprise that aided them so much this year. QB's will pay more for their running and the passing lanes won't be so large without the indecision defenses showed this season.
All in all, I can't wait to see how defenses will adjust to what offenses are doing to them this season. It's gonna be fun.