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Review of DEs on the current roster

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by xwalker, Apr 5, 2014.

  1. 1LoyalCowboyFan

    1LoyalCowboyFan Active Member Zone Supporter

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    That was a bit shocking. Hopefully he can continue to gain some mass this offseason
  2. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    If healthy, he should be fine at WDE; however, if he fully recovers and is a free agent in 2015, I think 3-4 teams would put a higher value on him. It's not because he can't play well as a 4-3 WDE, but because he has the ability to play the SOLB position in a 3-4 which is a very difficult position to play. You need a 3-tool player that can cover, play the run and rush the passer. That's harder to find than a 4-3 WDE.

    As far as 2014 is concerned, I wouldn't waste time on Spencer. There is a high probability that he can't make it though the season after the micro-fracture surgery and even at a veterans minimum salary, that's about 800k wasted if he goes on IR. If he does recover, then he's probably not going to be here next year anyway.
  3. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    My best guess is that they like the idea of Spencer as an emergency plan similar to Brian Waters last year. If Spencer is not ready by training camp, then he could end up on the sofa for game 1. Then if he gets healthy, they could sign him like they did with Waters if they don't find better options in training camp.
  4. Beast_from_East

    Beast_from_East Well-Known Member

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    What part of career high and career low do you not understand?

    Selvie had a career high of 7 sacks and Ware had a career low of 6 sacks.......................Selive can also visit Ware's bust in Canton in the coming years. Ware may not be what he once was, but please save me the "Selvie is just as good" speech.

    Only way Selvie will ever be in the HOF is if he buys a ticket and takes a tour.
  5. theSHOW

    theSHOW Well-Known Member

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    Selvie made the team this year. Ware is cut because he does nothing. Past performance 2011 and before doesn't count. I give you a D on reading comprehension.
  6. dogunwo

    dogunwo Waves that make you sea-sick

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    I really think we would look at a guy like Brandon Thomas in the second round. No homer.
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  7. Beast_from_East

    Beast_from_East Well-Known Member

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    You give you an F on understanding the game...............Ware was cut do to his enormous salary he was given by putting up double digit sacks year in and year out.

    Selvie has a career year of an amazing 7 sacks, only 1 more sack than the guy you said did nothing.................LMAO
  8. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    OK, so they have 2 DEs and are going to keep 4 DEs and 4 DTs plus Crawford. Now you have:

    DE:
    Mincey
    Selvie
    Early draft pick
    1 spot between a late round pick, UDFAs and all other DEs currently on the roster

    If they sign 1 more player like Ayers, then they leave themselves Zero spots to develop a current player or late round pick.

    How do you ever develop a player operating in this method? It means that you can only add talent with early draft picks. The Jay Ratliff, Leon Lett, Brock Marion, Devonte Holloman, Miles Austin, etc. type players never make the roster under your plan.
  9. theSHOW

    theSHOW Well-Known Member

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    Giants just signed Ayers last week
  10. TrailBlazer

    TrailBlazer Well-Known Member

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    I'd settle for middle of the pack.

    But I admire your optimism.
    Just don't think it's realistic; especially coming off that historically bad defensive performance in'13. I don't see the talent. Need to hit a home run in the draft. Build for 2016, 2017.
  11. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I was just giving a what if example. I knew that somebody has signed him.
  12. silver

    silver Well-Known Member

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    We need fresh meat at the position. It's a young men's game. They need to address the position early and often. Any position along the front seven can be upgraded. So hopefully most of the draftees go to the front seven. Of the holdovers, barring injuries, Lee, Carter, Holloman & Wilber are locks at LB, with only Crawford is a lock on the DL. Just the way we ran through 20 guys last year along the DL, I can make a case for any of the linemen currently on the roster being replaceable, and that's including Selvie, Mincey and McClain.
  13. tm1119

    tm1119 Well-Known Member

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    I'm trying to win in 2014 because it could easily be 1 of only 2 or 3 years left of the Romo era to win. After that its down the long road of finding a franchise QB.

    You seem very willing to punt the season by fielding another horrific defense like last year.
  14. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    If a young player out performs Mincey, they will make him a starter without thinking twice about it. If a young player was outperforming Ware, they would not bench Ware.

    They have to have some reliable veterans on the roster. They can't implement a defense with a DLine of all rookies.

    They just have 2 true veterans at DE with Mincey and Selvie. That leaves 2 to 3 spots for draft picks and young players that are already on the roster. I think that about the correct mix.

    The logic goes bad when people want to sign more veteran DEs. That would not leave any much room for developing young players.
  15. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    They shouldn't give up just because they haven't signed expensive free agent DLinemen or because they didn't draft DL at each pick in the top 3 rounds.

    If there were internet message boards back in April or even July of 1992, people would have been freaking out because the Cowboys didn't have enough proven players at each position.
    Similar status to Melton and an early draft pick:
    67 Russell Maryland DT
    94 Charles Haley DE

    These guys would have been similar to Mincey and Selive
    75 Tony Casillas DT - The equivalent of a street free agent that was cut by previous team
    77 Jim Jeffcoat DE - over the hill veteran

    All of these guys would have been called Jags on a message board:
    95 Chad Hennings DT/DE
    90 Tony Hill DE
    97 Jimmie Jones DT
    78 Leon Lett DT/DE
    92 Tony Tolbert DE


    What if you had the following options:

    Option 1.
    2014: 20% chance of being a playoff team
    2015: 25% chance of being a playoff team

    Option 2.
    2014: 10% chance of being a playoff team
    2015: 50% chance of being a playoff team.


    Notice to other posters: This is just a theoretical question. The don't focus on the exact numbers, just the concept.
  16. tm1119

    tm1119 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah because an early draft pick is really going to be comparable to should be hall of famer Charles freaking Haley. If we had a Charles Haley esque player to go along with Melton no one would be complaining.

    And you can't predict the future. No one knows what will happen. You seem to be trying to go with the mlb/nba version of you have to get worse before you get better rebuild. It's the nfl and its a win now league. Too many injury risks and too many things to go wrong to look into the future. Romo is here and making 20 mil a season for these next 3 years or so, can't squander any opportunities. Remember the dark ages of trying to find a QB before Romo came along?
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  17. Nirvana

    Nirvana Well-Known Member

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    Martez Wilson sucks and won't be on the final 53. In fact the only guys who will make it on that list are Selvie, Crawford, Mincey and Bass. Tristan Okpalaugo is an interesting prospect though and I'll be interested to see how he does. Thanks for the list by the way.

    I think Spencer could come back and with a very favorable 1 year contract. He's at Valley Ranch every day rehabbing. Who knows maybe he could make some contributions at WDE.

    As far as the draft goes I hope the team picks up a guy like Ford or Demarcus Lawrence to rotate at WDE.

    SDE - Crawford, Spencer*, Mincey, Bass
    DT 1 - McClain, Hayden/Draft Pick
    DT 3 - Melton, Draft Pick, (Crawford/Bass in nickel)
    WDE - Selvie, Spencer*, Mincey, Draft Pick
  18. theSHOW

    theSHOW Well-Known Member

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    Remember when you could sign a Charles Haley and the team would always have enough cap room?
  19. tm1119

    tm1119 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah...good times. But that has nothing to do with my post. I didn't say we should/could have signed a Charles Haley esque player. My post was in response to xwalker saying the 2014 d line is comparable to 92's and us taking a DE early in this draft + Melton would be = to Russell Maryland and Charles Haley. Which is an absolutely ludicrous statement.
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  20. reddyuta

    reddyuta Well-Known Member

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    Good point,I think they would consider someone like Dee Ford in the first.

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