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'Romney care' touted as a model for national health care reform

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  1. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Pow! Pow!

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    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/20/romney.health.care/index.html

    'Romney care' touted as a model for national health care reform

    By Jim Acosta and Ed Hornick
    CNN

    (CNN) -- If Washington wants health care reform with bipartisan support, experts say consider what former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney accomplished as governor in Democratic Massachusetts.

    "You don't have to have a public option," Romney said. "You don't have to have the government getting into the insurance business to make it work."

    Three years after enacting its own version of reform, Massachusetts now has near-universal coverage.

    Taxpayer watchdogs say it's affordable.

    "There is this widespread assumption, that is treated as fact, that it's breaking the bank in Massachusetts ... it's not breaking the bank at all." said Michael Widmer of Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation.

    And health care experts say it's popular.

    "Seven in 10 people in the state support the program, and no more than one in 10 would repeal it." said Robert Blendon with the Harvard University School of Public Health.

    Unlike Democratic proposals that would give Americans the choice of joining a government-run health care plan, Massachusetts has no public option. Instead, people in the state are required to buy private insurance, and the poor get subsidies.

    The reform created the Commonwealth Health Insurance Connector Authority, which is similar to a health insurance exchange.

    Nicknamed "Connector," its purpose, according to the state, is to connect individuals and small businesses statewide to affordable insurance plans.

    The program reviews "existing health insurance coverage plans in the marketplace" and gives "certain plans the Connector 'seal of approval.' Plans offered through the Connector will not be subject to minimum contribution and participation rules," according to the state government's Web site.

    And under the 2006 legislation, there are several requirements for insurance companies.

    According to Brian Rosman of Health Care for All, a nonprofit based in Massachusetts, the requirements include:


    Minimum benefits, such as preventive care, mental health care and hospitalization

    A ban on gender discrimination

    Limits on total out-of-pocket costs

    A prohibition on pre-existing conditions as a qualifier for health coverage

    No medical underwriting, so insurers can't ask an individual about his or her health status in order to determine coverage

    Limits on age restrictions, which means what is charged for an older individual cannot be more than double what is charged the youngest.
    Analysts say "Romney care" is basically "Obama care" minus the public option. Watch more on Romney's program »

    When asked if he'd support Obama's health care reform plan if it doesn't include a public option, Romney said that it "depends on what's in the rest of the bill."

    The Massachusetts model, however, does have its problems. Experts say it doesn't control rising health care costs -- something Romney insisted must be tackled on a national level.

    Michael Tanner, the director of health and welfare studies at the libertarian Cato Institute, said that the Romney care program plan costs taxpayers a "great deal of money."

    "Originally, the plan was projected to cost $1.8 billion this year. Now it is expected to exceed those estimates by $150 million," he said in 2008. "Over the next 10 years, projections suggest that Romney Care will cost about $2 billion more than was budgeted."

    He added: "And the cost to Massachusetts taxpayers could be even higher because new federal rules could deprive the state of $100 million per year in Medicaid money that the state planned to use to help finance the program."

    At a GOP presidential debate at Reagan Library in June 2008, Romney defended his program.

    "I'm the only one that got the job done. I got health insurance for all our citizens. We had 460,000 people without insurance. We got 300 of them -- 300,000 of them -- signed up for insurance now. I'm proud of what we accomplished," he said at the time.

    Meanwhile, Romney says Democrats have only themselves to blame for those rowdy town hall meetings that have sometimes been reduced to shouting matches and even violence.

    "I think any time you're dealing with people's health care and their ability to choose their doctor, you're going to find people responding very emotionally," he said.

    As for former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's now debunked claim that reform would lead to so-called "death panels," Romney said "I'm not going to tell people what they can and cannot talk about."

    Still, Romney does warn the president that bipartisanship is the only road to health care reform.

    "I think the right process for the president to pursue on a subject that is so emotional, so important to all Americans, is to go through the lengthy process of working on a bipartisan basis," he said. "He promised that."

    Democratic sources said Tuesday that the White House might resort to passing a Democratic-only bill without bipartisan support.

    The White House later said Wednesday that the president was hopeful bipartisan talks would continue if Republicans continue to help Democrats devise a comprehensive plan.

    Democrats, however, may run into problems.

    A Quinnipiac University poll shows the American public is wary of a Democratic-only bill. When asked if that's the right approach, 59 percent said they were opposed, while 36 percent said yes.

    The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percentage points.

    But it's not all good news for Republicans.

    A new NBC News poll shows only 21 percent approve of the Republican Party's handling of health care, while 62 percent disapprove. In contrast, 41 percent approve of Obama's handling of the issue, while 47 percent disapprove.

    The NBC News poll was conducted August 15-17, with 805 adults questioned by telephone. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.
  2. CowboyWay

    CowboyWay If Coach would have put me in, we'd a won State

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    So what's the difference between the public option and the govt subsidizing the plan? At least the option doesn't require you to have health insurance. This would at least make artie happy because he can choose not to get healthcare.

    Both are subsidized. What's the difference?
  3. Heisenberg

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    I believe the non-public option would cost taxpayers a lot less.
  4. MetalHead

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    I'm in your head,kid.
  5. Kangaroo

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    There are subtle difference but it looks pretty darn close to me as being the same since it is subsided is the big issue.

    He can crow all he wants but he still off the mark
  6. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    Lay your bodies down
    I'm in your beds. Your beds
    Throw your headphones on
    I'm in your heads! Ah-ha!

    Now I'm hangin' ten now baby
    As I ride your sonic, oo-wave
    (Ahhhhhhhhhhh!)

    Good God y'all

    I'm on fire
    I'm on fire
  7. xWraithx

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    your ugly mug haunts my dreams

    you make Glenn Beck look like Megan Fox
  8. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    Mmmmmmm Megan Fox.
  9. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    This is the reason I will not vote for him. Romney and Palin both have roles to play but not as President.
  10. JBond

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    Incrementalism. They have already stated their intent to split up the bill. Welfare and Social Security were both supposed to be temporary.
  11. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    Yes he was not really a true conservative.

    However I think, in hindsight of course, he would had a much better chance at winning over McCain because Romney's strong suit is economic issues.

    We will never know, but something interesting to think about.
  12. sbark

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    these moves, split, reconciliation......is even drawing the ire' of Olympia Snowe..........

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125072573848144647.html?mod=rss_Today's_Most_Popular

    the disdain, contempt shown by the Liberals for the majority of the citizens is becoming more evident every day

    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
    - C.S. Lewis
  13. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    Romney is only thought of well by Conservatives because he looks like a young Reagan.

    He is more Conservative than most centrist dems ..... but he is not Conservative.
  14. jwhardin

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    But according to what I hear (not what I actually know) the Romney care plan is in trouble and basically stinks
  15. sbark

    sbark Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    from a Rommney interview on Rommney care...


    Obama plan, which is it does virtually nothing to stop the growth in health care costs. Nor did ours, by the way. We got everybody insured, but getting health costs reined in is the big challenged, and there are a number of ideas out there now that I think have a lot of merit. But Barack Obama’s plan is certainly not going to help.
    There’s no question there’s some aspects in the Massachusetts plan I’d like to see changed. I said it at the time
    I’m sure a number of the criticisms that are spoken about our plan are fair
    Refreshing from a politician…

    In a radio inteview on Wed....Rommney stated his plan got highjacked by Mass. Liberals.....which drove the cost way beyond org intents...

    he is saying the same thing w/ Obama-care: Liberals getting way too much input: input from a group that has no business, work or job expierience..
  16. JBond

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    He is an excellent speaker. I am leery of anyone that signs a bill into law for government health care. That will come back to haunt him.
  17. MetalHead

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    :laugh2:

    Men telling other men they are ugly.
    How ghey of you.
  18. xWraithx

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    why? I wasn't talking to you
  19. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    Would you prefer he tell you that you have sugar lips and honey hips and that he wants to meet up with you? :laugh2:
  20. xWraithx

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    lol just make sure not to post the translation on here

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