Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by CrazyCowboy, Jun 11, 2014.
This is good stuff, let me write that down. . . .
Write it down now so you can keeps your hands free when you're watching. You know so you can applaud.
When the Boys get their super bowl trophy I am sure that we will all (figutively) will lift Tony on our shoulders and give him is praise and praise to his supported cast.
ouch! i rolled mein eyes to far and it hurt.
Yeth we sometime forget to applaud when we are distracted. Thanks for the pointer. I feel better alredy.
Put any QB who is average or better, and they still win the Super Bowl. That team didn't win because of Wilson, they won because their defense was so darn good it shut down the best offense in history to only 8 points.
Not only is this true...but the great Payton Manning lost that game. A HOF QB....lost a game? What a loser! If Manning was so great, he should have won that game! The GOAT...lost the Superbowl. Now, how could that be?
He should have done it all by himself! Stupid Manning, QB!
You are so wrong everything started to change for Seattle in 2012 when Wilson became the QB. That team goes nowhere with Tarvaris Jackson and Charlie Whitehurst at QB. Part of the success of Seattle's defense has been a result of efficient QB play. Seattle ranked 9th in defense in 2011 which wasn't bad but the combination of Jackson/Whitehurst at QB produced a TD to turnover ratio of 15-20. Jackson's passer rating in 2011 was 79.2 with 18 turnovers compared to only 14 TD's. Whitehurst also had more turnovers than TD's in 2011 and had a passer rating of 62.9. When your QB's have more turnovers than TD's that puts a lot of pressure on a defense. The Seahawks have been a completely different team with Wilson at QB. Seattle's rise to the top all began when he became the starter. His TD to turnover ratio in the playoffs in 2013 was 3-1 and his passer rating was 101.6.
His performances have clearly affected how Seattle has played. In their 3 losses last season Wilson suffered turnovers in each loss and wasn't very efficient check his numbers. He's had passer ratings of over 100.0 in 2012 and 2013. He's tossed 52 TD's compared to 26 turnovers plus he's given Seattle a great duel threat that none of the QB's the Seahawks had previously came close to giving them. Wilson has rushed for a 1028 yards in his 2 seasons averaging 5.4 a carry and he's scored 5 rushing TD's. Although he hasn't passed for a lot of yards he's been very efficient throwing TD's and his ability to get outside the pocket and keep plays alive has made him one of the best young duel threat QB's in the league.
His teammates have confidence in him and he's clearly raised the level of play of his entire team. The Seahawks wouldn't have sniffed the SB last season with Tarvaris Jackson at QB. His lack of efficiency and turnovers would have kept Seattle's defense on the field all day which would have prevented them from being as effective. You give any defense enough turnovers to defend that leads to some short fields they'll eventually crack. Tarvaris Jackson didn't give Seattle near the efficacy in the passing game Wilson has and not even remotely close to the duel threat rushing game Wilson has.
Although the Seahawks made the playoffs in 2010 at 7-9 Hasselbeck's TD to turnover ratio was 12-22 with a passer rating of 73.2. Even though Wilson was supported by a great defense in 2013 this was no Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson situation where he got carried to the SB. Seattle's defense went from 9th in 2011 with Jackson/Whitehurst to 4th with Wilson in 2012 and to #1 in 2013. Wilson has played terrific football and has given Seattle something they've never had at the QB position.
Why do you feel there isn't there any team support coming?
A few things about your post. Romo took over as QB halfway thru the 2006 season which was Parcells' final season. Romo was still young and feeling his way out at that point. Give Parcells a few more years with him and I'm willing to bet we'd see a different Romo. Parcells would manage Romo completely different and I guarantee he wouldn't check out of as many run plays under Parcells.
Second, forget Wade Phillips when discussing Romo. You keep mentioning Romo under Wade as if Wade had anything to do with Romo's development. Wade was strictly in charge of the defense and completely hands off when it came to the offense. So basically Romo only had approx. 10 starts under his belt prior to Garrett's arrival. Sean Payton and Parcells molded Romo during his first few years but Garrett is responsible for the product that we've seen since 2007.
Finally, you're crazy if you don't think coaching styles and ability make a difference. Jason Garrett is directly responsible for about 2 losses each year. The Green Bay game is a perfect example. A coach like Parcells and Coughlin would have salted that game away and brought home the victory by leaning heavily on the running game. Yeah the defense was horrid that day but you know what helps a bad defense.....playing keep away from the other team by pounding away at them with ball control and running the football. Not the idiocy that you saw from Romo and Garrett where they felt the need to pass, pass, pass.
Another bad one that immediately comes to mind was the horrible clock mismanagement we saw at the end of the Baltimore game in 2012 where Garrett sat around dumbfounded while precious time ticked away and they ended up setting up a 52 yard FG attempt as if it were a chip shot.
So please don't ever insinuate that a better coach wouldn't help.
I said an average QB lol, not Tarvaris Jackson. Wilson does protect the ball well, but that has a lot to do with his surrounding pieces. Think he'd protect the ball just as well throwing it 40+ times being down 21 points? I don't, but he's never put in that position because of a stellar running game and defense. Seattle wins with defense, and all Russel is asked to do is protect the football.
When your QB completes 8 passes in a game, and you win 29-3 against the 12-4 49ers, it's the defense. When your QB completes 12 passes, throws for 120 yards with an interception, and you still win 23-20, it's the defense. Wilson is a good QB, but there were a lot of games last year he completed only 10-14 passes and they blew teams out by 20+ points. Think he could do that here? Not even close, we'd be the team getting blown out by 20+ points.
He's lost not 1, but 2. #choker #overrated
Lol a coach like Parcells would've lined us up in base 3-4 when the Packers go 5 wide. And then when we were down two scores, he would line up in a double tight big formation and run stretch plays to the short side of the field.
Interesting. I see not to take your input too seriously since you choose to mock a Hall of Fame coach's abilities.
I'll take Parcells leading my team all day, every day over Garrett.
He has a Super Bowl ring.
What does Romo have besides 1 playoff win against a team who's QB was on his last legs?
Romo took over in week 7 of the 06 season and started 10 games. By the time he became the starter he had 3 years of tutelage under Sean Payton and was into his 4th year under Parcells. The Tony Romo we saw in 06 is the same Tony Romo we see today. He was very productive then with a high completion percentage and a 95+ passer rating and he had the same turnover issues then that he does now. Nothing has changed with him in his 8 years as the starter. Parcells saw the NFL was becoming a passing league which I believe is why he gave up coaching after the 06 season. Parcells played not to lose during 80's with a great defense and a solid running game. He won a lot of close games including a SB with his defense on the field.The Cowboys weren't built to win like that in 06 and they aren't built like that today.
I never said coaching styles and ability don't make a difference but no HC can protect a QB from screwing a game up when they're behind and have to throw. Bledsoe was about to get Belichick fired in NE had he not gotten injured opening the door for Brady's HOF career. I'm fully aware Garrett is responsible for at least a couple of losses each season because he can't manage games but I'm not going to blame him for the screw ups we've seen with Romo since 06. In 07 when Garrett arrived the Cowboys had the most explosive offense in franchise history even Aikman acknowledged that. The team was averaging 32 points at one stage and Romo tossed a career high 36 TD's until his game started to unravel late that season. You keep blaming Garrett but Wade Wilson has been the QB coach since 07 why not put some of the blame on him?
No one is going to prevent Romo from making critical mistakes when big games are on the line it's been his history. Even in college he had a reputation for the real bad play which is one big reason he never got drafted. The Cowboys have tried reeling him but at some point you have to allow him to make some plays. As for Wade Phillips I only briefly mentioned him. Although he concentrated on the defense he could wave off any play Garrett called. He certainly had talks with Romo on protecting the football his job security like all HC's depended on the play of his QB. Last season everyone on this board was complaining about the Cowboys turning Romo into a game manager. He started the 2013 season with 4 straight games of under 300 yards passing. With the defense as bad as it is you can't reel him in very much. He's what makes the offense go and the only chance the Cowboys have is for him to put the ball in Dez's hands.
Questionable support from his GM, OL and defense during his career? It's still a team game.
It is a team game and the one position that brings success or failure to the team more than any other is the QB. Maybe that is the reason for the blame.
he lost it just like Staubach lost a couple. It didn't change my opinion of either one.
Yes and the play around you can greatly benifet or hinder a QB. It is nothing new that QB take more heat, this non sense about today QB take it because it is a passing league, Don Meredith took a lot of heat and blame to the point he did not want to deal with it any longer. Danny White was blamed, so I understand that fan views lead them to the QB. I think it is a very important position and poor QB play can get you beat faster than any other position but to win and win it all takes a lot of players playing at a high level not one person.