Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Staubacher, Sep 23, 2013.
For the record- I honestly believe you.
Many more are like that, however.
I don't think I agree. Bledsoe was well beyond his prime. Brady nor Manning are at that stage. Both Brady and Manning can make you pay with their passing ability and their knowledge of the game. You can't say that their skills would not work.
In so far as Smith, well, he's brought a 2-14 team to 3-0 thus far. The only things that have changed are the QB and the Coahing staff. I think it's a stretch to say that Smith could not have done well.
I addressed your quote you said what some of you here don't realize is players like Manning and Brady make their Olines better by the way they play. I said Romo makes his OL better by the way he plays with his escapability/mobility. I went on to address the other comment you made earlier in the thread saying you would take Flacco and Alex Smith over Romo. Although I don't see Flacco being a good fit with the Cowboys I could see how some would take him over Romo after his outstanding postseason performance last season that led to a championship but wanting an unproductive game manager like Alex Smith over Romo makes no sense at all. Currently Romo has out performed both Flacco and Smith after the first 3 games. Flacco has passed for 744 yards, 3 TD's, 2 int's and has a passer rating of 80.0. His completion percentage is 60.5 percent. Smith has passed for 669 yards, 4 TD's, 0 int's and has passer rating of 92.1. He's completed 61.0 percent of his passes.
Romo has passed for 771 yards, 6 TD's, 1 int and has a passer rating of 103.9 and has completed 72.2 percent of his passes this season. With the lack of running game and solid defense the Cowboys have had they need a productive playmaking QB. They have to pass the ball to score and win games. The Chiefs only went after Smith because they didn't like the QB's available in the draft and saw him as an upgrade over what they had plus he would only cost them a second round pick. Last season Cassel and Quinn combined for 27 turnovers. KC felt having a 1500 yard back in Charles and a QB who could manage games and not turn the ball over would improve their team and it has.
Having a steady QB like Smith who doesn't lose games gives the Chiefs time to find a more dynamic player at the position down the road who can win games for them if Smith is unable to do that. They know for them to be a championship caliber team that Smith is eventually going to have to be more productive and be able to drive their offense in the final couple of minutes to win a game and do against an opponent that has a premier passer. Andy Reid has seen Smith's improvement over the past couple of seasons and figures he might improve more but if not he bides the Chiefs some time to find that special QB that every team dreams of having. By the way feel free to put me back on ignore I wish a couple of others here would follow your lead.
Eli and Flacco and Dilfer and many others prove you don't need an elite QB to win a SB.
Look at Big Ben now that his OL is in a shambles.
QBs are just one part of the equation.
You want consistently high level play and that means the big 3: Brady, Payton, Rodgers.
After them you have a bunch of guys who need help to be good and a few like Romo who need help to be great.
Romo has the highest 4th quarter QB rating in the history of the league. That's hard to argue against if you care about winning.
That rib issue leveled the playing field.
Truth is Romo would be even farther ahead of the scrubs had he been healthy week 2 and Dallas would be 3-0.
It's been more than a decade since Dilfer and Johnson were carried to their SB wins the game has changed since then. Flacco may not be an elite QB but he played like an elite QB during the playoffs and SB last season which is why Baltimore won the SB. As for Big Ben his OL was in shambles back in 08 when the Steelers won the SB. Roethlisberger was sacked 48 times that season and played with a number of injuries that caused him to miss time.
He was carted off the field late that season with a concussion plus the Steelers had no running game that season. The Steelers problems this season are with Todd Haley and his offense that clearly doesn't fit Roethlisberger. Haley may not last the season and certainly won't be back next season if the Steelers offense doesn't improve.
See where his 4th quarter passer rating ranks in elimination games.
I think it depends on how you look at better. Does Romo use mobility to avoid sacks? Yes, he does. Does that help the OL? Yes, statistically it does.
On the other hand.......
Does Romo hold the ball to long and put more pressure on the OL to protect? Yes, he does. Does that help the OL? No, it does not.
The Steelers only averaged 21 ppg. Big Ben holds the ball much longer than Romo which lead to many of those sacks but certainly still falls on the OL. The 2008 Steelers OL was a bunch of young draft picks with starting experience.
That's not the shambles losing 3 or 4 guys in a year is. You would definitely be correct though in that Big Ben was much more like Dilfer or Johnson than a great Qb in 2008. Guy had a Total QBR of 46 that year.
Its in the 20s this year however.
The 2008 Steelers had 3 All Pro defenders. That's why they won.
Flacco is fortunate to be on a really good team. He's been in 13 playoff games. His numbers in those games have ranged from terrible to great.
But thank you for making my point for me. A reasonable NFL QB can have a very good run if they have the right pieces around them and a good offensive game plan.
Flacco had that last year. The OL came together once they got McKinnie going and Smith and Bolden provided a huge big-play WR corps; Ray Rice a legit rushing threat and BMore always has a good defense.
In some earlier playoff runs he didn't have all the pieces and he didnt play as well.
Its hilarious that otherwise intelligent people pretend their is some magic change that happens to a single guy when in reality there are other factors to the tune of 10 other players on offense and 2 other facets of the game that matter vitally.
The Denver Broncos made the playoffs with Tim friggin Tebow at QB.
Mark Sanchez won playoff games with the Jets.
That's all recent.
Keapernick won a SB and now can't outplay Alex Smith....
Romo's been at the helm of one really good team. But that team was flat whipped on both sides of the ball by the Giants in the 3rd match up of the year.
Other than that these Dallas teams have had massive holes.
ahh the glorious made up stat.
like his qbr on monday nights in december if it is under 50 degrees and a rainbow appears.
dallas hasnt been very good overall. playing playoff level competition they shouldn't have a very good record.
that's basically common sense.
pretty sure if you look at Brady's QBR versus teams with 12+ wins it'll be much lower as well.
The competition has a lot to do with how you perform.
Its hilarious that people claim intelligence yet argue for scoring a player on a limited subset of games that are ballyhooed and yet meaningless without context of the 16 game season once must succeed at to reach them oe else they do not exist at all.
Sounds like you are criticizing the offense moreso than the QB.
The Cowboys offense is built upon Romo moving and buying time.
Dallas didnt pay Romo all that money because he fails to execute the plays they call.
I could be wrong, but I think it's those times when his QBR is the best...especially when that rainbow appears.
Roethlisberger was much better than Dilfer or Brad Johnson in 08 and his total passer rating that season was 80.1 not 46.0. This year his passer rating is 81.2 so I'm perplexed as to what stats you're looking at. Ben had to win some games during the 08 season and one of those games was in Dec vs the Cowboys. The SB vs AZ came down to Ben having to drive the Steelers on a last ditch drive in the final seconds to win that game after his defense gave up a 64 yard TD to Larry Fitzgerald. His defense got shredded by Kurt Warner in the SB and Ben had to make plays to pull that game out.
In 05 he was Dilfer/Johnson like and was clearly carried to that championship but definitely not in 08 where he had a crappy OL and no running game to help bail him out. He had to suck it up that season playing with an assortment of injuries. Ben does hold the ball too long which results in some of his sacks but he also avoids a lot of sacks with his strength and escapability. He pulls off some amazing escapes for a guy his size. He and the Steelers may be struggling this season but over his career he's been a great play and one of the top 5 QB's in the league.
It's hard to know who has the majority of responsibility here. In past, I could see where it might be the OC. Now, over the past few years and especially this year, I think more responsibility goes to Romo. We know that when Parcells was here, and emphasis was put on getting the ball out quickly and IMO, that was the best football Romo every played to date.
Now, Romo holds the ball longer and I can say that it's all on the OC because we see Romo audible to certain plays and we see Romo not check down many times. It is what it is. Some will say that it's a plus because he goes downfield and stretches the defense. Some will say that he holds the ball and that causes undue pressure. It's all in how you look at it.
I, personally, like him to get the ball out but everybody sees things from a different slant.
As for paying him not to execute the offense, well, there it is again. Some might say that they didn't pay him to not excute the offense, some might say that you pay QBs that kind of money to win Division Titles, Playoff games and Super Bowls.
It's all in how you see it.
QB's are judged by how they perform in elimination/playoff games unless their name is Peyton Manning who's on pace for his 5th MVP regular season. The playoffs are a limited number of games for even the best QB's but those are the games that matter most. Even some of the greatest QB's like Peyton Manning have had mixed results in the playoffs because you're facing a good team that qualified for the playoffs. You have fewer chances in the playoffs because you're in a win or go home situation unlike the regular season where every team plays out a 16 game schedule regardless of where they stand.
It really makes no different what a QB's passer rating is vs teams that won 12 games or more during the regular season. The last 2 SB winning teams were 9-7 and 10-6 but played to a much higher level in the playoffs than they did during the regular season. Once the playoffs start what a team or QB did during the regular season goes out the window. Even 12 win teams slipped up 4 times during the regular season but only one slip up in the playoffs results in going home.
So I take it Romo caused you some harm in your personal life?
You just can't seem to stop stalking or talking about him.
Or...perhaps he is in competition with ufcunrules for who hates Romo the most?
Ah Gotcha......did not take this into account. Sorry
It's amazing the ten percenters can extend this thread 16 pages and suck everybody into discussions on Romo they simply can't win.
Consider myself sucked.