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Romo was sharp today

Discussion in 'Rant Zone' started by AmberBeer, Aug 17, 2013.

  1. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    No it's not. Give me consistent excellence. Instead you'd rather define a guy's career by 15 snaps. And somehow you think that makes sense.
  2. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    You claimed Brady was winning SB's with top 5 defenses you were wrong. A lot of the success NE's defense has had is due to how efficient Brady and the offense has been. NE scores a lot of points and this has helped their defense. Brady doesn't make a habit of leaving his defense with a short field due to turnovers. Opponents start getting behind and have to press which plays into the hands of the defense. All you keep mentioning about Eli is his 2007 postseason run where he was more of a game manager. Regardless of how many yards he passed for during the postseason his TD to turnover ratio was 6-1 and his passer rating was 95.7.

    That's pretty impressive for a QB who turned the ball over 27 times during the 07 regular season and finished the year with a passer rating of 73.9. It's not all about yards it's about efficiency and not turning the ball over. If the 07 SB was all about a miracle helmet catch than Tyree would have been named the games MVP. In the postseason in 2011 Eli passed for 1219 yards and 9 TD's and only had one turnover. He had a passer rating of 103.3.
  3. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    Did you ignore where I showed you that on a points allowed basis the Pats were 6th, 1st and 2nd in their 3 super bowl wins? That makes me wrong? Are you even reading my posts?

    So in 4 games Eli threw 6 tds and averaged barely over 200 yards per game (a number he didn't eclipse twice) and somehow that was him making a claim for the Manning home championship qb belt?

    And somehow those 4 games overshadow an entire career of fairly mediocre qb play?

    Fooled by randomness. Read it.
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  4. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    You actually want to argue that Eli isn't a good big game QB? Appears it's all about yards with you. Eli is 9-3 in "elimination" games and most of those wins have come on the road. You're dogging his production during the 07 postseason when it led to a championship. He was involved in arguably the greatest play in SB history during a last ditch drive and came up BIG. Had he not been able to pull away from a sure sack and gather himself to make an accurate throw Tyree would have had no chance to pull that catch off. Even after that play Eli had to complete the drive with a TD to Plax. In week 14 vs the Cowboys in 2011 on the road he helped the Giants overcome a 12 point deficit in the final few minutes to pull a game out that had the Giants lost they would have been sitting home for the playoffs and the Cowboys would have gotten in. Eli set an NFL record in 2011 with 4th quarter TD's that helped bring the Giants from behind in several games..

    Eli is the only QB to beat Tom Brady in a SB and he's done it twice. In 2011 on the road in GB he out dueled the leagues MVP Aaron Rodgers with a 330 yard, 3 TD performance. I don't get influenced by anyone I'm an opinionated fan who calls things the way I see it and could care less what ESPN or anyone else thinks. It's not my fault I see it the way the experts who've played and coached the game see it and not the armchair FANS here who have an obvious bias. I make my own arguments with facts and stats. If Romo had the resume Eli has and pulled off the big wins he has would you be arguing against him as a big game QB? So what's your opinion of Romo as a big game QB? Can't wait to hear that if you even choose to answer it. LOL
  5. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    You claimed the Pats had top 5 defenses during Brady's SB wins and you were wrong! Come back when you have your facts straight. You're trying to spin that the reason Brady wins is because of his defense. If it wasn't for Brady Belichick would be a coordinator somewhere. In 2001 NE was 0-2 and Belichick was on the hot seat until Brady turned him into a genius. The year before under Bledsoe NE was 5-11. You can spin it anyway you want but NE never becomes the team they have without Tom Brady. As for Eli you're wasting time complaining about his yards it's not about the yards...give it up!
  6. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    That's your spin you're just wasting time.
  7. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    How was I wrong? I just showed you they were 6th, 1st and 2nd on points allowed by the defense. I may have undersold them when I called them just top 5.
  8. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    Who is Eli? The guy we have seen play 137 regular season games...or the guy represented by a few games you are cherry picking from to prove a point?

    Eli Manning is not a great qb. There is a wealth of information that proves exactly that. Sorry I don't put as much stake in a helmet catch as you do.
  9. DanteEXT

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    KJJ doesn't care about how many points a defense gives up. As long as they don't give up very many yards. Yards given up, that's what he cares about.
  10. DanteEXT

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    The Patriots were not a scoring machine in 2001 or 2003.

    2001
    Regular season 23.2
    Postseason 20

    2003
    Regular season 21.8
    Postseason 24.3

    2004
    Regular season 27.3
    Postseason 28.3
  11. Jarv

    Jarv Loud pipes saves lives.

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    Brady never won a championship without his coach cheating. I would put an asterisk next to his name.
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  12. Jarv

    Jarv Loud pipes saves lives.

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    Nice post, I think KJJ just looks at the QB when it comes to wins and losses. The Giants defense and a great catch by a no name receiver won that game, not Eli. Its a team sport. To his defense he looks at Romo the same way, if we don't win it's Romo's fault.
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  13. Aurican

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    Not sure why some can't accept that some games are much more important than others. Playing great against a scrub team in a blowout during the regular season should never be compared to a do or die playoff or elimination game against the best teams in the league. I also think Manning is overrated, he benefited from playing in a horrible division for a lot of his career and his great performances usually disappeared when playing against the best in the playoffs.
  14. Doomsday101

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    I agree but then I would also say I don't see anyone offense or defense stepping up in the big games you are referring to.
  15. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Well-Known Member

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    I would take either one.
  16. cowboys2233

    cowboys2233 Well-Known Member

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    Too funny! Yards given up is such a worthless stat. Yes, points allowed is THE stat to measure a defense by and obviously, the Patriots had top 5 defenses as Toruk said. KJJ is just wrong here.
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  17. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Well-Known Member

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    And Superbowl wins. He doesn't know that there are 52 other players on the team playing the game. He doesn't get that.
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  18. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    He was wrong the Pats defenses weren't ranked in the top 5.
  19. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Their points were increasing in postseason each year as Brady matured. They averaged just over 27 points during the regular season in 04 and over 28 points during the postseason.
  20. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    I said pick one and you refuse. It's not even close between Peyton and Montana in a must win game.

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