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Ron Jaworski's ongoing 2013 QB countdown

Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by DFWJC, Jul 3, 2013.

  1. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Ron Jaworski is doing a 32 part series for ESPN where he evalutes the probable starting QBs for each of the 32 teams. He will review every play from every player and then rank them from 32 to 1 in a short segment each night.

    I waited unti the first NFC East QB showed up before getting this thread started.
    Mike Vick came in at #25.

    Here is where he is so far (after July 2)

    http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releases/2013/07/2013-jaws-qb-countdown/#ponder

    The linked write-up includes his list and short reveiws of each player so far:

    32) Matt Flynn
    31) Jake Locker
    30) Kevin Kiolb
    29) Chad henne
    28) Mark Sanchez
    27) Christian Ponder
    26) Brandon Weeden
    25) Mike Vick


    I know, it's just another list and I have no idea how it will turn out.
    But at least some in-depth game tape review is involved by a knowledgable analyst and ex-QB.
    It's the summer doldrums, so I thought some might want to follow the updates.
  2. Sonny#9

    Sonny#9 Well-Known Member

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    That is a sad list of terrible QBs...
  3. Wheeltax

    Wheeltax Well-Known Member

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    As much as he seems to be hyped in general, surprised to see Vick so far down the list.
  4. PA Cowboy Fan

    PA Cowboy Fan Well-Known Member

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    That's where he deserves to be though.
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  5. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Countdown list update after the July 5th entry:

    32) Matt Flynn
    31) Jake Locker
    30) Kevin Kiolb
    29) Chad henne
    28) Mark Sanchez
    27) Christian Ponder
    26) Brandon Weeden
    25) Mike Vick
    24) Ryan Tannehill
    23) Carson Palmer
    22) Sam Bradford
    21) Josh Freeman
    20) Alex Smith



    Here is the link

    http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releases/2013/07/2013-jaws-qb-countdown/

    Alex Smith surprised me some.
    Here are Jaws' comments reagrding Smith only:

    “Now it gets interesting. My top 20. My 20th-ranked quarterback is Alex Smith. A year ago, Smith was coming off his best season in the NFL, having led the 49ers to the NFC Championship. This year, he’s the starting quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs. It was a great move by Andy Reid to acquire Smith.
    “The defining element of Smith’s play is efficiency. He executes the offense the way it’s designed, and he makes very few mistakes. Last season – for the second year in a row – he was exceptional on first down. In 2012 he led the NFL in first-down passing, with a quarterback rating of 119. Much of it came off play-action, or in the case of the 49ers, hard run-action out of base personnel. There was no better play-action quarterback last season than Smith. He had a quarterback rating of over 132.
    “Smith has been outstanding out of multiple tight end personnel over the last couple of seasons. No quarterback has thrown the ball more with three tight ends on the field. You don’t see that very often in today’s NFL."

    Jaws describing a 3 TE play:

    “This play was beautifully designed with all three tight ends to the same side. First, look at the impact of the run-action on the two linebackers and the safety. This was hard run-action. Then you see that Delanie Walker’s vertical route occupied the corner. That left Vernon Davis matched on a safety, a safety that initially reacted to run. He had no chance on Davis’ wheel route.
    “One area Smith improved in 2012 was in the pre-snap phase of the game. He was much better at the line of scrimmage checking and audibling.
    “It will be interesting to see what Andy Reid does in Kansas City. Don’t be surprised if he turns Smith loose a little bit and features an up-tempo offense with an emphasis on quick throws. Remember, Alex Smith played for Urban Meyer at Utah.”
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2013
  6. dwmyers

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    I prefer analysis by a single individual compared to, say, that drek ESPN put out regarding the 20 best coaches. Put too many idiots in the broth and you end up with things like the best two players in NBA history are 1. Jordan and 2. Kobe Bryant..

    And the nice thing about as wordy an analysis as Jaws is providing, is that you can read his stuff and use your own insight into the game and shuffle the ratings around in your mind, should you wish.
  7. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    I think Jaws is pretty annoying a lot of the time, but lately, I think his analysis of players/games has been pretty solid.
  8. EchoBrain22

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    He has Romo at 15 this season. Last season he was ranked 10. He cited the last game of the season as the reason for his drop.
  9. burmafrd

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    which is really stupid. He has Ryan ahead- what has he done and he has a better team?
    and the rookies or young ones like Ryan, RG3, Kapernick, Wilson, Newton? What have they done?
  10. DFWJC

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    So here is the updated list:

    32) Matt Flynn
    31) Jake Locker
    30) Kevin Kiolb
    29) Chad henne
    28) Mark Sanchez
    27) Christian Ponder
    26) Brandon Weeden
    25) Mike Vick
    24) Ryan Tannehill
    23) Carson Palmer
    22) Sam Bradford
    21) Josh Freeman
    20) Alex Smith
    19) Andy Dalton
    18) Cam newton
    17) Phillip Rivers
    16) Matt Stafford
    15) Tony Romo



    Here is the link

    http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releases/2013/07/2013-jaws-qb-countdown/

    Jaworski ranks Dallas Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo at No. 15. Transcribed analysis:
    “My 15th-rated quarterback is Tony Romo. I have always liked Romo, but his play in the final regular season game of the 2012 season with the NFC East title on the line still bothers me. You just can’t make mistakes, regardless of whose fault it is.

    It was the fourth quarter interception with three-and-one-half minutes remaining and the Cowboys trailing by three. That I just can’t forget. You can’t make a throw with no definition in that particular situation, regardless of the pressure.

    Then I look at Romo one week earlier. Two big-time drives in the final five minutes against the Saints, tying the game with 21 seconds remaining.

    “Back-to-back weeks, two different Romos. Those kinds of peaks and valleys is why Romo is No. 15 on my board. I love his talent, and there’s no doubt perception has overtaken reality in the negative world view of Romo, but I would like to see more overall consistency in his play. He’s capable of it.”

    Like almost every other ex-NFL QB, Jaws is a Romo fan. But like many of our fans, that Washington game made him decdie to penalize Romo--at least in this year's ranking--as it left a bitter taste to Jaws in how it transpired.
    Note that he is fully aware that the negative perception has gotten way out of hand. And he clearly thinks (as do I) that Romo can still get better in his decsion making. Just look at 2011 ehre he had a career best QB rating and very few turnovers. He does not need to take a major leap, as he is already very good. But he does need to reduce (not eliminate, as that is impossible) the really bad turnovers.
    Here's hoping we see a buch of what we saw from Tony the second half of last year, sans the game at Washington.
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2013
  11. NIBGoldenchild

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    He had RG3 at #13, considering he's only played one season I think that's fair.
  12. Califan007

    Califan007 Well-Known Member

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    Did he do a write up on it yet?

    I think at the beginning of the season he had RG3 ranked ahead of all the other young QBs, and had him at #16 (maybe, or around there). Surprised he's now at the bottom of the young QB list and only went up 3 spots.
  13. NIBGoldenchild

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    Yeah, that is interesting. He has Wilson and Luck higher than him since they haven't been mentioned yet. I just watched it on sportscenter this morning, so I haven't seen a write-up yet. What I also found interesting is he had nothing negative to say about Griffin's 2012 performance. Used the Saints game, the first game of the season, as his breakdown game...even though Griffin had better performances. The only thing that could be remotely negative was he speculated that Shanahan may alter the offense to protect Griffin. Maybe he thinks this will make him less effective. I'm speculating, since he really wasn't clear on what he thinks that will mean.
  14. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    updated list:

    32) Matt Flynn
    31) Jake Locker
    30) Kevin Kiolb
    29) Chad henne
    28) Mark Sanchez
    27) Christian Ponder
    26) Brandon Weeden
    25) Mike Vick
    24) Ryan Tannehill
    23) Carson Palmer
    22) Sam Bradford
    21) Josh Freeman
    20) Alex Smith
    19) Andy Dalton
    18) Cam newton
    17) Phillip Rivers
    16) Matt Stafford
    15) Tony Romo
    14) Jay Cutler
    13) Robert Griffin III
    12) Russell Wilson



    I'm pretty shocked that Cutler is 14th.
    But I'm very, very impressed with Russell Wilson. What great value to find a franchise QB in the 3rd round.
  15. Rogah

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    That's unusual for ESPN to try to get people to talk about them by creating some sort of made up list.... I wonder if this will catch on.....
  16. Sonny#9

    Sonny#9 Well-Known Member

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    You know what someone should do? A more pointless list of the top 100 players! That would be AWESOME!!!!!111!!!

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