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Safety is not priority number one in this draft

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by StevenOtero, Feb 4, 2014.

  1. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    That's because you're not a complainer. For every one of you, though, there are a dozen perfectly willing to complain no matter what position we use the #1 on.

    Last year's first round was sort of fun, in a perverse way, though. I was pretty frustrated myself in the trade down. Once Richardson had gone to the Jets I lost the last guy I was hoping would drop, but a trade down for what looked like poor compensation to miss the S and overdraft a C....nothing to get to hyped up about. But, yeah, I'll work OT all three days on Draft Weekend if we can get a playoff win out of it. :)
  2. LatinMind

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    who fits more need? Clinton Dix/pryor or Donald/Jernigan/Kony? It really shouldnt be that hard to answer
  3. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    Our secondary with Reggie White, Randy White, LaRoi Glover and Lawrence Taylor on the DL would have still been worse than Seattle's.

    Seriously man you have lost your mind.
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  4. StevenOtero

    StevenOtero Well-Known Member

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    This is why I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a LB with our 1st pick. Lee can't do it all by himself, Carter is suspect, Wilber found a new home a LB, Holloman looks promising.

    Front 7 should be the #1 priority.
  5. casmith07

    casmith07 I'm the best poster in the game!

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    You didn't read my post, and you don't understand the game of football. I bid you good day, Sir.

    Edit: La'Roi Glover? Really? Bro, drugs are bad.
  6. reddyuta

    reddyuta Well-Known Member

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    Better question is who will be rated more highly on our draft board,we were all set to draft Vacarro last year and we would have drafted Reid after the trade if he was available.
  7. Yakuza Rich

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    We generated a ton of pressure and got a ton of sacks under Wade. The defense was much better, but it was still sorely missing at safety and that's why when the rubber hit the road, the defense would crack. Seattle's D-Line isn't exactly well known. QB's are going to complete passes in today's passing game. Even Peyton completed *34* passes against the Seahawks. The difference? When Denver caught a pass they got walloped for their effort and didn't go anywhere. Watching Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor out there versus the dreck we've had at safety over the past 10 years is about as subtle as a punch to the face.

    I don't believe safety will be a priority for us. And we'll keep falling flat on our face and everybody will continue to wonder why.






    YR
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  8. EPL0c0

    EPL0c0 The Funcooker

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    their LBs aren't bad either.
  9. jterrell

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    While probably the most relevant question asked all thread doubt you get many answers lol.

    It is a tough one.

    I guess I'd rate those guys:
    Donald --perfect 3T imho. Elite motor and explosion.
    Dix --day 1 FS starter and sticks for 7+ years. Makes everyone on defense better.
    Pryor -- day 1 starter. less sold on immediate grasp of things. high, high ceiling.
    Kony -- Long-term stud SDE. Can play now but may not make many plays for a few years. Spencer type arch to career.
    Jernigan -- good 1T and day 1 starter. Will need to rotate frequently... more so than Donald. Probably going to be overdrafted because big guys almost always are.

    But it is just an early guess based on limited review which were mostly highlight clips.
  10. LatinMind

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    These 2 are nowhere near Vacarro. Everybody already knows the first pick is going to be DL.
  11. StevenOtero

    StevenOtero Well-Known Member

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    No matter what position we pick, we cannot reach. If there isn't a DL worth taking at our spot, don't take him. Draft a Safety, LB, anything that would be an impact player.

    They cannot reach.
  12. LatinMind

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    Then have you have to factor, do you think Dallas drafts another Safety in round 1 and just say ur giving up on Wilcox who you drafted for this specific spot, and got hurt. Have a guy in heath who wasnt ready to play in the NFL as a rookie but you dont think with a full offseason to grasp what they do he wont be better?

    Me i just dont think the team will give up on them after one yr. They will work with both of these two this yr. And IMO i think they could see Wilcox as a Chancellor type. He has range, thats obvious. But the guy hits. Thats something they need.
  13. jterrell

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    ROFL...

    I understood what you said just fine.
    HOWEVER, as a UNIT, with a similar pass rush, I would put our secondary up against Seattle's.

    What you said was certifiable.

    As to football knowledge I'd gladly compare resumes any time you want to.
  14. jterrell

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    It is not giving up on a guy when he is a Strong Safety and you draft a FREE Safety.
    Wilcox was CLEARLY not ready to play last year. He would have been an IDEAL backup to Church at SS.
    He could have been brought in on some nickel and dime stuff where he just matched up in man coverage and looked pretty darn good IMHO.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with having young back ups with upside.

    Seattle rather showed having some quality depth is a fairly good way to win games.

    Dallas needs to bring KNOWN GOOD NFL CALIBER players at Safety to camp.
    Not come in with hopes and dreams that guys will make a drastic improvement form being amongst the worst in the league.

    If we leave camp with:
    FS: Dix, Heath
    SS: Church, Wilcox
    and Wilcox playing some slot coverage assignments that is a good use of roster spots and good development arc for players we own.

    Hardly a waste of anything.
  15. fanfromvirginia

    fanfromvirginia Inconceivable!

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    It's clear that Seattle has better players than us throughout their defense.

    The question is why?
    1. Do they identify and acquire them better (draft and FA)?
    2. Do they develop them better?
    3. Related, do they coach them better?
    4. Still related, does their system work better, in a way that promotes the above options?
  16. LatinMind

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    I would rather have Chris Davis at FS myself. If we are talking about playmaking rookies
  17. casmith07

    casmith07 I'm the best poster in the game!

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    There's no need to reach in this draft. The talent runs very deep along the front 7 in this draft. Not as deep at Safety, but if we're moving on from Church and Johnson (likely) and we all know Heath is not ready, a safety could be an option in Round 2. Take a look at the measurables, stats, and video out there of Dion Bailey from Southern Cal and Ed Reynolds from Stanford. I would be more than happy with either guy in RD 2.
  18. LatinMind

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    And by the way if you look at Dix, he's a more talented Heath, but the same tendencies. He doesnt attack the ball, if you want to see what im talking about look at the Texas A&M game.

    Matter of fact here you go
  19. Mr Cowboy

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    Perfectly said.... out safety play has been very bad for many years, even when Ware was collecting 15-20 sacks. It's one reason we have been 8-8 for the past 3 years. Think back to how we took a lead into the 4th quarter and eventually lost games, in the past 3-4 years.
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  20. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    Yep.

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