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Safety is not priority number one in this draft

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by StevenOtero, Feb 4, 2014.

  1. LatinMind

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    If he wasnt a NFL player he wouldnt be in the NFL. Youre going to say if Dallas didn draft wilcox he wouldnt have been drafted?
  2. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Under most circumstances I would agree with Rich, but this year is different The Cowboys are faced with having the 2nd worst DT in the NFL teamed with a guy who missed all of last season due to his torn Achilles, backed up by another guy who missed all of last season. AND they're losing a DT who contributed 11 sacks to a team that only had 30-some to begin with.

    DT is really a cesspool at this point.
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  3. 4lifecowboy

    4lifecowboy Active Member

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    And I'm in agreement that the DL needs to be addressed, but it doesn't have to be the first pick. I have a tremendous amount of confidence that a) we can find a couple of DTs between the 2nd and 7th rounds. and b) When we do find them Marinelli will get the most out of what they bring to the table. Unlike most I believe the key to a good defensive line is depth, a rotation of 8 capable lineman will wear down a offensive line over the course of a game.
  4. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    But as of this day (Feb 4th... prior to the combine... prior to private workouts) other than "Ha-Ha" I don't see a FS-type worth taking at 16/17. The chances are much better than a DL is going to be sitting there when Dallas picks.
  5. reddyuta

    reddyuta Well-Known Member

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    then they should take him. this defense is not magically going to get better even if we pick 2 or 3 Dlinemen,its broken almost completely,even the good players are a major injury risk.we will all probably be back here next year hoping for a top ranked safety .
  6. 4lifecowboy

    4lifecowboy Active Member

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    I think both safeties will be sitting there @ 16-17 unless one goes to early and cause a team behind us to panic and trade up to take the other.
  7. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Not everyone is universally acknowledging that there are two safeties worth taking at 16/17.
  8. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Well when one of the defensive lineman is almost the worst in profootball... well.
  9. reddyuta

    reddyuta Well-Known Member

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  10. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    LOL!

    OK.

    Don't get me wrong I think part of Hayden's suckage could be due to having to play way too many snaps given his talent level. It could be that giving him 15 snaps a game instead of 50-some he could be a functional sub. But if he's a staring DT for this defense come next September... Well the ugliness on defense is going to continue.
  11. jnday

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    I would like to see a DL drafted first, but not if it means passing over a higher rated player to draft him. No need in reaching to fill a need.
  12. wileedog

    wileedog Well-Known Member

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    I'm saying he was a ******* draft pick when you have nothing on the roster that is a sure thing, or at least one that should not have been counted on for several years considering his lack of experience even playing defense, much less safety.

    Sure someone else could have drafted him. It should not have been anyone who did not already have proven safeties in place who were looking for down the road replacements, unlike us.
  13. LatinMind

    LatinMind iPhotoshop

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    So go out and draft another rookie? Wouldnt the smarter answer be go sign a vet?
  14. tm1119

    tm1119 Well-Known Member

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    I know he's on your favorite team and everything man, but come on with the Jeff Heath talk. He's a special teams guy at best. And Wilcox has some potential, but he's a downhill strong safety just like Church. Development time with him at FS is going to cost us games

    Personally I'd like to see us bring in a trusted veteran to sure up the spot for the next 2 years. Chris Gamble or Chris Clemons would get the job done without breaking the bank.
  15. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Nick Hayden hurts this defense more than Jeff Heath.

    Hey, if the Cowboys can improve BOTH positions in the offseason, then I'm all for it.
  16. jobberone

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    I tend to agree. But safety has been a safer pick lately than anything but C. It depends on what they think of Johnson and Wilcox and to a lesser extent Heath.

    Here are the projected starters next year:

    DE: Ware and Selvie; don't know about Spencer
    DT: ??Bass and Crawford; don't know about Brent or Hatcher
    Mike: Lee
    Sam: Wilbur; Holloman is in the mix somewhere
    Will: Carter
    CB: Carr and Claiborne; Slot: OScan
    S: Church and Wilcox; have no idea about Johnson

    Ware stays injured and not at normal playing efficiency. There's a hole. Selvie is IMO probably going to get significant snaps. At 270 and not that strong he gets hurt in the run. Spencer is a huge ? mark. There's no way to know his status and how likely he is to play nor where.

    Bass and Crawford will be solid to better. Brent could play a 1 and I don't want the thread to deteriorate into a Brent is a pig no he's not one. Huge question mark. Hatcher is a FA and likely gone. I hope they don't throw too much money at him although a 3 year contract voidable after two would be okay with me at the right price. The rest are ???????

    Carter was lost last year. Holloman could push although I suspect Carter will come around albeit still inconsistent to what degree I don't know. Lee is an injury concern not his play. Wilbur is a marginal starter. Durant is a two down Sam. He could start or be gone. I don't know his cap status.

    Claiborne is a ?. Carr needs to be used properly. He's marginal to average+. OScan is good. Then you have question marks.

    Church is average. Johnson has never played a snap I think. If so I've forgotten. At best he's a ?. Wilcox is inexperienced so who knows. Heath is inexperienced +. McCray should leave.

    Unrestricted Free Agent
    #NAMEPOS.HT.WT.AGEEXP.COLLEGE
    63 Cook, Ryan C/G 6-6 331 30 8 New Mexico
    97 Hatcher, Jason DT 6-6 299 31 8 Grambling State
    55 Jones, Edgar DE 6-3 262 29 7 Southeast Missouri State
    3 Kitna, Jon QB 6-2 220 41 16 Central Washington
    40 McCray, Danny S 6-1 222 25 4 LSU
    59 Sims, Ernie LB 6-0 233 29 8 Florida State
    93 Spencer, Anthony DE 6-3 250 30 7 Purdue
    64 Waters, Brian G 6-3 320 36 13 North Texas
    92 Wynn, Jarius DE 6-3 285 27 5 Georgia

    You can figure out the needs. You can basically take the BPA at most any position on defense.
  17. tm1119

    tm1119 Well-Known Member

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    Debatable. But can we agree that they are both shouldn't be anywhere near an nfl starting lineup.

    And I think it's way easier to replace Hayden and Jeff Heath than you're making it out to be. The off season will be a complete failure if we can't get upgrades for those 2
  18. jterrell

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    pretty much all the above applies in some form or fashion.
    that is not like jeff heath at all.
    tamu made plays away from dix against the sidelines repeatedly.
    he was busting tail to get from single high safety to the sideline to help.
    he clearly isnt earl thomas but he is far from jeff heath.

    people made plays against heath on POST patterns.
    they pretty much threw the ball where he was already standing and let a WR just go up and take the ball away.
    as a former DB I can not tell you how imperative it is that you never give up those passes.
    that is the main function of a safety.

    that looked a lot more like wilcox filling lanes at poor angles but arriving and playing physically. there's tons of footage of dix doing that quite well.
    he is in coverage position and takes away his area in essentially all those clips.
    he doesnt show as much range as the elite level guys tho that is true and would require more evaluation before a pick at 16 imho.
  19. jterrell

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    i'd be fine with hayden starting provided he never had to play a passing down.

    agree tho that those two positions are so easily upgraded we should almost assume they will be.
  20. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Only priority the Cowboys have is to find big time players on defense. Not opposed to a top safety in the draft but Dallas needs to get stronger up front. I don't care who is in the secondary if you are not getting after the QB they will burn you. Give top QB 4 or 5 second they will find someone open no matter who is playing safety
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