Salary cap adjustments

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by tvooz, Jan 12, 2014.

  1. Galian Beast

    Galian Beast Well-Known Member

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    He just doesn't get it...
  2. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    Not sure you get it any more than him....

    You are describing the lowest possible cap hit.
    And what would be stupid cap management.
    It is the model that got us into this crap.

    Bryant is only 24 years old. We aren't signing him to a 3 year deal with two fake years for cap purposes.
    Bryant is ALMOST CERTAINLY going to be EVEN BETTER in 3 years time. He'll be 27 and at or near his peak in football performance.
    He's just now learned the full offense.

    You don't Demarcus Ware him and owe 15-20m because you were cheap earlier.

    Bryant's deal should be balanced to actually keep him a Cowboy not force him out of our town after a release that we eat dead money for in his prime.
    That would be absurd.

    A big part of fixing the cap is to stop making stupid deals going forward.
    Stop liking like a freshman with a new credit card and maxing it out then ordering a new one to do the same with.

    If Dallas would pay guys what they are actually worth per year we'd have all these tricky means to lower cap hits when we were on the verge if a Super Bowl not to merely go 8-8.
  3. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    Lotta work there. Sadly does not address 2015 cap. You'd get around a 2.5 mill additional hit on converting salary to bonus in 2015. Closing in on 7-8 mill in cap charges for 2015 there...just as I suggested
  4. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    Oh yeah. Stop with the Mike Wallace comparisons

    Wallace over his first 4 years. Average 59 catches, 1010 yards, 8 tds. Good numbers

    Dez. 73 catches, 1026 yards, 10 TD.

    Wallace also didn't have the misfortune of breaking his leg playing special teams, so he's had four more games to put up those #s.

    Breaking it down by game Dez gives you 5 catches, 70 yards, and 2/3s of a TD. Wallace yields 3.7 catches, 64 yards, and 1/2 a TD

    I don't think his agent is going to miss these things like you have.
  5. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    And we only used that model because Spencer's tag and the slow pace of Romo negotiations forced our hand

    It is clearly not Stephen's preferred approach
  6. jterrell

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    I hope you are correct.
    Stephen has a salesman's way of making it sound like all part of a beautiful dream.

    We need to stop doing it that is for sure.

    The only thing worse than paying Ware 12.5m this year is eating 8.5 m to watch him get paid reasonably and sunset elsewhere.
    Guy is a friggin hall of famer and half the fan base wants to cut him after 17.5 sacks the previous 2 years.
  7. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    If you look at other deals -- Witten for example, we certainly had the choice to go with a low base salary in 2012 - instead we paid him 3.6 mill and avoided a restructure that would cut about 2 mill out of that year's cap hit. Why? To freaking pay some of that money off as we go. Ware's first two years saw large base salaries -- we only did restructure bonuses later in the deal as it allowed for spreading over the final years of the contract which were clear of the SB.

    So it is clear we aren't into doing every deal as we did Carr - I suggested earlier that we only did so because of the combined handcuffs of cap penalty, franchise tag, and standoff over Romo's deal.
  8. SkinsFan28

    SkinsFan28 Well-Known Member

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    What AbeBeta is saying, is that right now, Bryant and Smith combined currently reflect $0 against the 2015 salary cap, because they have no contract dollars assigned. Clearly, whatever contracts they sign, is going to be additional numbers against the 2015 salary cap. If it's low end and ends up being 9Mill for the two of them (or two other equally expensive WR/LT's) or the upper end of 16Mill for them both is irrelevant to the main point that that final amount is not reflected by the 2015 cap space as it is shown now.
  9. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    Wait? I thought AbeBeta just didn't get it?
  10. AdamJT13

    AdamJT13 Salary Cap Analyst

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    Witten's base salary in 2012 was only $2 million. Restructuring would have saved less than $1 million, and we finished that season with more than $2 million in cap room that we never used.
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  11. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    Yes -- but it shows that we aren't always structuring every contract with an eye toward paying the minimum in various years
  12. Corso

    Corso Well-Known Member

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    Like always- you bring the goods. I have learned so much about the inner workings of football strategy and economics from reading your (and a few others) posts.

    I don't get how some here can still be so ignorant of the simplest football and economic concepts with such great posters like you bringing these terrific, informative posts day after day.
    Great show, chap.

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