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Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by BAT, Nov 7, 2011.

  1. BAT

    BAT Mr. Fixit

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    1st Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin - 6'5 315 Nasty blocker, mack truck in run game

    2nd Bruce Irvin, OLB, WVU - 6'3 245 4.52 14 sacks as part timer in 2010 (2nd in nation); falls to 2nd b/c has not been as effective as starter

    3rd Brandon Boykins, CB, Georgia - 5'10 185 4.40 A little on small side but the fastest of the elite corners, and an absolute playmaker with ball in his hands

    4th Dontari Poe, NT, Memphis - 6'5 350 5.30 Monster in the middle who would fix Cowboys problems on short/goal line situations

    5th Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame - 6'2 213 4.55 Faster than timed speed, super physical and has great instincts for the ball, another playmaker

    6th Jake Bequette, DE/OLB, Arkansas - 6'5 270 4.62 Athletic for his size, great work ethic & leadership, frame to bulk up to DE

    7th Christian Thompson, S, South Carolina St - 6'3 218 4.45 LB hitting ability & DB speed
  2. Chris in Arizona

    Chris in Arizona I am Death

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    very good mock.

    Peter Konz, Brandon Boykin, Bruce Irvin, and Harrison Smith are all high on my list. I just don't think Boykin will last to the 3rd nor Poe lasting til the 4th.
  3. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Bad Santa Staff Member

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    Really love Bruce Irvin but I could see him falling or rising. I say that because I could see him tearing up the combine. But also looking at his role as a full time player this season and how he his production has fallen to the point of them making him a part time player again.

    In his defense though they lost seven starters from last year on defense and it has definitely shown as our D has went downhill pretty far this season.

    They guy is tailor made for a 3-4 OLB pass rusher though.

    You might also want to look at Marshall's Vinny Curry as a pass rushing OLB in the pros...although I think he winds up going in the first. I think he might be better suited as a pass rushing DE in a 4-3
  4. BAT

    BAT Mr. Fixit

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    I agree, Boykin & Irvin may have to be swapped. Although 2012 draft will have a bounty of quality corners, so I could see a few really good ones (normally blue chippers in another draft year) with "flaws" like Boykin fall to 2nd and 3rd. As for Poe, he has not lived up to expectations this season. Memphis has not been a force against the run per pre-season expectations.
  5. BAT

    BAT Mr. Fixit

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    Love Irvin too, but his inconsistency is exactly why I'm not sure where to slot him. His athleticism and 2010 production screams first rounder, but his lack of size and production as a starter could have him fall to the 3rd.

    He would be awesome as part of the Cowboys LB rotation.

    Vinny Curry is a good one too, like you I think he goes in the first. And I'd rather have Konz.
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  7. BAT

    BAT Mr. Fixit

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    2012 FA Additions:

    NT: Ahtyba Rubin / Sammie Lee Hill
    DE: Calais Campbell / Adam Carriker


    #1 ILB Vontaze Burfict | 6'3 250 4.65 | Arizona State - Violence incarnate, nuff said

    #2 OLB Ronnell Lewis | 6'2 244 4.54 | Oklahoma - nicknamed the "Hammer" b/c of devastating hits; played LB & DE; still raw as pass rusher so may push him to 2nd; will be a better pro (ST monster)

    #3 CB/KR Brandon Boykin | 5'10 185 4.44 | Georgia - Lightning, especially w/ball in hands (D & ST); fastest of elite corners but deep CB draft & size concerns likely push to 3rd

    #3 TE Ladarius Green | 6'6 240 4.64 | Louisiana-Lafayette - Lethal as a receiver; ultra productive in 2010 (All American); 7 TDs, 18 ypc; played hurt & not as productive in 2011 (trade 2012 pick for another 3rd)

    #4 FS Harrison Smith | 6'2 215 4.55 | Notre Dame - Manti Te'o gets more publicity but Smith is playmaker; ballhawk and physical; intangibles

    #5 OG Amini Silatolu | 6'3 330 5.46 | Midwestern State - Small school standout; Beast in power blocking scheme; was the star on OL that averaged over 200 yrds rushing/game; nasty & strong, surprisingly quick w/heavy hands

    #6 OLB/TE Jake Bequette | 6'5 271 4.62 | Arkansas - Excellent speed for size; 7 sacks in 2010, 6 sacks in 2011 (injured for 4 games)

    #6 OG Brandon Brooks | 6'4 343 5.32 | Miami (OH) - huge & athletic (supposedly timed a sub 5.0 40) & while oft injured, OL did not allow sack when he he was in game; well suited for power blocking scheme

    #7 SS Christian Thompson | 6'1 218 4.45 | South Carolina State - can play either safety spot; physical & ultra athletic for size; Auburn transfer
  8. BAT

    BAT Mr. Fixit

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    I also would sign San Diego C Nick Hardwick in 2012. Guy is the acknowledged leader on Chargers' OL. Very smart & tenacious.
  9. realtick

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    Really like the Bruce Irvin pick.
  10. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    Rubin signed an extension
  11. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Good mock, but I have questions/comments:

    1st Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin - 6'5 315 Nasty blocker, mack truck in run game
    He has the medical condition (blood clots in his lungs). This would drop him out of the 1st round in my opinion. Might be a moot point since he probably won't declare for the 2012 draft anyways.

    2nd Bruce Irvin, OLB, WVU - 6'3 245 4.52 14 sacks as part timer in 2010 (2nd in nation); falls to 2nd b/c has not been as effective as starter
    Good value in the late 2nd; however, he is a WOLB (Ware's Position). The Boys probably want a SOLB (Spencer's position).

    3rd Brandon Boykins, CB, Georgia - 5'10 185 4.40 A little on small side but the fastest of the elite corners, and an absolute playmaker with ball in his hands
    Good pick if they don't get a CB earlier. They need a punt returner.

    4th Dontari Poe, NT, Memphis - 6'5 350 5.30 Monster in the middle who would fix Cowboys problems on short/goal line situations
    Does he have any passrush skills? He won't get many snaps unless he plays DE.

    5th Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame - 6'2 213 4.55 Faster than timed speed, super physical and has great instincts for the ball, another playmaker
    I don't see the Boys keeping a 5th round safety unless he really over-achieves in training camp or they consider Barry Church to be an ILB.

    6th Jake Bequette, DE/OLB, Arkansas - 6'5 270 4.62 Athletic for his size, great work ethic & leadership, frame to bulk up to DE
    Seems small for a 2-Gap DE. Can he play SOLB?

    7th Christian Thompson, S, South Carolina St - 6'3 218 4.45 LB hitting ability & DB speed
    Nice size/speed. You can probably slide a 7th rounder to the practice squad.

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    Again, nice mock, but I have questions/comments:

    #1 ILB Vontaze Burfict | 6'3 250 4.65 | Arizona State - Violence incarnate, nuff said
    I was dissappointed with Burfict in the game that I watched. I don't mind the crazy/violent attitude; however, he appears to take a lots of plays off.

    #2 OLB Ronnell Lewis | 6'2 244 4.54 | Oklahoma - nicknamed the "Hammer" b/c of devastating hits; played LB & DE; still raw as pass rusher so may push him to 2nd; will be a better pro (ST monster)
    I expect the Boys to be drafting in the late part of the round. Lewis should go late 1st or early 2nd.

    #3 CB/KR Brandon Boykin | 5'10 185 4.44 | Georgia - Lightning, especially w/ball in hands (D & ST); fastest of elite corners but deep CB draft & size concerns likely push to 3rd
    Again, good if CB is not picked earlier.

    #3 TE Ladarius Green | 6'6 240 4.64 | Louisiana-Lafayette - Lethal as a receiver; ultra productive in 2010 (All American); 7 TDs, 18 ypc; played hurt & not as productive in 2011 (trade 2012 pick for another 3rd)
    Can he block? Garrett will want an above average blocker.

    #4 FS Harrison Smith | 6'2 215 4.55 | Notre Dame - Manti Te'o gets more publicity but Smith is playmaker; ballhawk and physical; intangibles
    Does he beat out McCray in year one or do they keep 5 safeties?

    #5 OG Amini Silatolu | 6'3 330 5.46 | Midwestern State - Small school standout; Beast in power blocking scheme; was the star on OL that averaged over 200 yrds rushing/game; nasty & strong, surprisingly quick w/heavy hands
    The Boys already have mulitple developmental types at OG. They need a year one starter (i.e. 1st or 2nd round) IMO.

    #6 OLB/TE Jake Bequette | 6'5 271 4.62 | Arkansas - Excellent speed for size; 7 sacks in 2010, 6 sacks in 2011 (injured for 4 games)
    Excellent size/speed. Is that TE or DE?

    #6 OG Brandon Brooks | 6'4 343 5.32 | Miami (OH) - huge & athletic (supposedly timed a sub 5.0 40) & while oft injured, OL did not allow sack when he he was in game; well suited for power blocking scheme
    See comments on #5.

    #7 SS Christian Thompson | 6'1 218 4.45 | South Carolina State - can play either safety spot; physical & ultra athletic for size; Auburn transfer
    See comments on #4. Can probably slide 7th rounder to practice squad.

    Nine picks and no QB?
    No OG until the 5th?
    Linebackers with the first 2 picks?
  12. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    Nice way to rip a pretty good mock . By your guidelines , there won`t be a prospect worth drafting.:laugh2:
  13. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    I'm not trying to "rip" it. Just trying to provide feedback. Why don't you show where you disagree.:bang2:
  14. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    My point is that any prospect has his faults . Wasting time questioning a 4th or 5th round pick on a mock is useless. Most of these late round picks will have major holes in their game (size , speed , etc) , but somebody has got to be picked .
  15. realtick

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    I don't agree with all your takes, but I understand and appreciate what you're saying. Good feedback.
  16. BAT

    BAT Mr. Fixit

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    1st Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin - 6'5 315 Nasty blocker, mack truck in run game
    He has the medical condition (blood clots in his lungs). This would drop him out of the 1st round in my opinion. Might be a moot point since he probably won't declare for the 2012 draft anyways.

    Konz's medical condition is a concern for sure. So is his availablity in the draft. In addition, Konz's strength is not line calls. That said, based on his play & production, Konz fits a need and is worthy of being seleccted at the bottom of the first.

    2nd Bruce Irvin, OLB, WVU - 6'3 245 4.52 14 sacks as part timer in 2010 (2nd in nation); falls to 2nd b/c has not been as effective as starter
    Good value in the late 2nd; however, he is a WOLB (Ware's Position). The Boys probably want a SOLB (Spencer's position).

    Semantics. The best DCs (like the Ryans & Capers) believe in multiplicity. If a player can play, they will find a spot for them. Irvin CAN play and Rob will maximize a player like Irvin, forget the labels. Some of the most explosive SOLBs in the game TODAY are the same size as Bruce Irvin (Clay Matthews & Von Miller).

    3rd Brandon Boykins, CB, Georgia - 5'10 185 4.40 A little on small side but the fastest of the elite corners, and an absolute playmaker with ball in his hands
    Good pick if they don't get a CB earlier. They need a punt returner.

    Boykins will be a force in the return game, and an eventual starter at corner. I only hope that he will fall this far, even in a draft that is so deep at CB.

    4th Dontari Poe, NT, Memphis - 6'5 350 5.30 Monster in the middle who would fix Cowboys problems on short/goal line situations
    Does he have any passrush skills? He won't get many snaps unless he plays DE.

    He gets great push, if he can maintain his pad level. And he is very very strong. I am not advocating a starting position, I am looking for a short yardage specialist, whether it is a at DE or NT. Again, in a draft that is short on blue chip DT/NT, Poe may be taken higher.

    5th Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame - 6'2 213 4.55 Faster than timed speed, super physical and has great instincts for the ball, another playmaker
    I don't see the Boys keeping a 5th round safety unless he really over-achieves in training camp or they consider Barry Church to be an ILB.

    Smith will be hard to cut. He has a better nose for the ball than all the safeties on the current roster, and he is just as physical as Church & McCray. He is also very intelligent. Kid is a playmaker.

    6th Jake Bequette, DE/OLB, Arkansas - 6'5 270 4.62 Athletic for his size, great work ethic & leadership, frame to bulk up to DE
    Seems small for a 2-Gap DE. Can he play SOLB?

    Bequette is a 4-3 DE or a 3-4 SOLB right now. He has very good timed speed. He also has great size. NFL scouts think he is athletic enough to convert to TE.

    7th Christian Thompson, S, South Carolina St - 6'3 218 4.45 LB hitting ability & DB speed
    Nice size/speed. You can probably slide a 7th rounder to the practice squad.
  17. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    I see holes to be filled but how do you pass on Robert Griffin if he is there?
  18. BAT

    BAT Mr. Fixit

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    First of all, I am a big fan of Robert Griffin. But he is rising fast and may be a a top 15 pick. Not sure where you project the Cowboys finishing next season, but I hope you are dead wrong if you think Griffin will be "there" when we pick.
  19. xwalker

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    Bat, excellent "defense" of your mock.

    1st Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin - 6'5 315 Nasty blocker, mack truck in run game
    He has the medical condition (blood clots in his lungs). This would drop him out of the 1st round in my opinion. Might be a moot point since he probably won't declare for the 2012 draft anyways.

    Konz's medical condition is a concern for sure. So is his availablity in the draft. In addition, Konz's strength is not line calls. That said, based on his play & production, Konz fits a need and is worthy of being seleccted at the bottom of the first.
    It would be tempting to take Konz based on ability, need and the difficulty of finding a Center in the draft or FA.

    2nd Bruce Irvin, OLB, WVU - 6'3 245 4.52 14 sacks as part timer in 2010 (2nd in nation); falls to 2nd b/c has not been as effective as starter
    Good value in the late 2nd; however, he is a WOLB (Ware's Position). The Boys probably want a SOLB (Spencer's position).

    Semantics. The best DCs (like the Ryans & Capers) believe in multiplicity. If a player can play, they will find a spot for them. Irvin CAN play and Rob will maximize a player like Irvin, forget the labels. Some of the most explosive SOLBs in the game TODAY are the same size as Bruce Irvin (Clay Matthews & Von Miller).
    Probably a lot of truth to your statement about labels, especially in the Rob Ryan defense. If he is over-whelmingly the BPA, then pick him regardless of SOLB vs WOLB. As far a Clay Matthews, he does play the left OLB, but he appears to play with more of an WOLB technique (i.e. passrush first, run/coverage second).

    3rd Brandon Boykins, CB, Georgia - 5'10 185 4.40 A little on small side but the fastest of the elite corners, and an absolute playmaker with ball in his hands
    Good pick if they don't get a CB earlier. They need a punt returner.

    Boykins will be a force in the return game, and an eventual starter at corner. I only hope that he will fall this far, even in a draft that is so deep at CB.
    It would be excellent if the 3rd corner was also the punt returner next year.

    4th Dontari Poe, NT, Memphis - 6'5 350 5.30 Monster in the middle who would fix Cowboys problems on short/goal line situations
    Does he have any passrush skills? He won't get many snaps unless he plays DE.

    He gets great push, if he can maintain his pad level. And he is very very strong. I am not advocating a starting position, I am looking for a short yardage specialist, whether it is a at DE or NT. Again, in a draft that is short on blue chip DT/NT, Poe may be taken higher.
    If your going to have a "plugger", might as well have a huge one. With his height, I can see him playing some DE.

    5th Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame - 6'2 213 4.55 Faster than timed speed, super physical and has great instincts for the ball, another playmaker
    I don't see the Boys keeping a 5th round safety unless he really over-achieves in training camp or they consider Barry Church to be an ILB.

    Smith will be hard to cut. He has a better nose for the ball than all the safeties on the current roster, and he is just as physical as Church & McCray. He is also very intelligent. Kid is a playmaker.
    Hopefully, a developmental guy can take the place of the 2nd kicker. It appears that Church and McCray are almost locks with the Cowboys coaching staff yet neither appears to project to a full time starter.

    6th Jake Bequette, DE/OLB, Arkansas - 6'5 270 4.62 Athletic for his size, great work ethic & leadership, frame to bulk up to DE
    Seems small for a 2-Gap DE. Can he play SOLB?

    Bequette is a 4-3 DE or a 3-4 SOLB right now. He has very good timed speed. He also has great size. NFL scouts think he is athletic enough to convert to TE.
    I watched him yesterday. Definitely worth a 6th. I could see him projecting to TE. He might lack the short area quick-twitch abilities of a OLB but could have more of a long strider type speed.

    7th Christian Thompson, S, South Carolina St - 6'3 218 4.45 LB hitting ability & DB speed
    Nice size/speed. You can probably slide a 7th rounder to the practice squad.

    I need to check see if South Carolina St. will be on TV before the season is over.
  20. TheCount

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    I don't think you want a NT that's 6'5", except for spot play but interesting overall draft.

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