Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by ejthedj, Apr 3, 2012.
Poe or Upshaw.
Cox or Kirkpatick
Cox or Gilmore or maybe Mercilus.
Two I DEFINITELY wouldn't pick at #14. :laugh2:
One a physical freak, but with no real talent, the other talented, but stiff as a board.
Honestly, I think Cordy Glenn would bring the biggest impact on both the offense and defense. Trade down a little if possible and pick him up, but if we can't I'd still take him at 14.
We're automatically better in short yardage. Better in goal-to-go situations. More TDs instead of FGs. Own the clock. Wear down the opponent while keeping our D fresh. Make the opponent one-dimensional because they're down 17-3 instead of 9-3.
He'd also basically be our swing tackle in case of emergency.
Assuming trade downs are not possible: Poe, Cox, Gilmore, Glenn, Konz.
Gilmore or Cox.
I'd love to see a combo of one of these two guys and McClellin at #45, but McClellin's stock appears to be shooting through the roof. =/
Actually, I think Cox or Poe goes #9.
Lots of love for Cox in this thread.
The original post asked "who would you take?" Saying trade down is too easy. It's almost like a cop out. I have a feeling that this year is going to be like 2009, where everyone was looking to trade down, because the top end talent isn't that deep. We could see one team after another taking up the whole time, just waiting for the phone to ring from a team looking to trade up. So, if you're going to just say "trade down", then give the scenario. Who are you going to trade with? Who is that team trading up for? And then, who do we take in spot into which we've traded?
Personally, if we stay at 14 (for whatever reason), I think it would be a tough call between Barron, Kirkpatrick, and Cox. I'd go with Barron. I know we need DL and CB help still, but the draft is deeper for those two positions than S, and I like Barron's ability and leadership. If the Cowboys see some Darren Woodson in him, I think it would be hard for them to pass him up.
At 14 Barron is the pick IMO. In a perfect world they'd be able to trade back and still be able to pick him, but at this point I really have no idea of who would trade up to draft who.
I trade down............target pass rush then CB in that order.
S is very thin in this draft and DL seems to be one of the deepest positions in the draft so Dallas may feel that Barron is the cream of the crop and there's no one else at S that can help them. So they'll take Barron at 14 and use 45 pick to shore up DL or OL.
I don't believe in drafting purely for need.
I believe in drafting value at need.
I don't like using 1's on S's and if I did it would be a cover FS with quasi CB athleticism.
The other thing is it is a mistake just to look at value in terms of the current draft. What is the value of that player/position vs similar players who have gone in past drafts. That way you aren't just grading Alex Smith vs Aaron Rodgers. You are grading Alex Smith at #1 vs Aikman, Payton, etc, etc. Just because you need a QB Smith was an awful QB based on value.
I think Barron isn't the best value vs other S's who have gone in similar area and I also think you are drafting best player at a very weak postion. Overall you end up building a better team when you draft a player ranked high in a very strong position.
My concern is we have settled for tier 3-4 OL guys in FA, and are targeting tier 2 defensive guys in draft. Instead of targeting tier 1 guys at position of strength on interior OL. Magic formula to come away with tier 3-4 OL additons, tier 2 safety and tier who knows what passrusher cuz none of these guys look that strong as passrushers at OLB or 3-4 DE.
Honestly looks to me like we went for short-term solutions vs long term vision. Trying to plug holes to fix it all in one year.
No way is he worth that high a pick. Maybe 20.
frankly that is the way it looks to me as well. Like last year when we passed on Brian Waters I had a feeling that this would happen this year. Instead of going after really quality guys they settle for OK. If that.
in that case, take Glenn
might be best OG in draft
can play OT in a pinch
better than taking a second tier player that high or a safety
Trade down and try and get more picks, and select Barron in the trade down.
Even if Barron doesn't pan out, I would like the team to at least attempt to address the safety position, something we haven't really done in Darren Woodson's Retirement wake.
No way I take Cox. We can have Rat, Spears, Hatcher and Lissemore rotating at DE. That's more than enough. Give me Poe to clog up the middle and finally get Rat to DE where he belongs. Poe presents a much bigger upgrade to our front 7.
That would be an unlucky 13 for the Cowboys!
In that scenario (assuming a trade-down is not happening), I may take Jonathan Martin to play RT and move Free to one of the G positions. Martin has a nasty streak in him (like DeCastro) and would fill out the line nicely.
My preference is to take a guy that can rush the passer and if I did that, I think I would get most excited to see Mercilus on the team, I really hope that Coples in reality falls to us and I think that is somewhat possible, but if not, then
Btw, if Martin is there, I think that teams will beat themselves up to get that pick before the Eagles.