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Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Colo, Apr 2, 2007.

  1. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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  2. Bob Sacamano

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    or attention

    342, the number of Jamarcus Russell passing attempts

    202 attempts for Blake Mitchell

    btw, I would take Bowe over Rice because he's more complete IMO while Rice is more of a one-trick pony

    edit: Mitchell and Syvelle Newton together combined for 364 passing attempts, LSU was just ahead of South Carolina in team passing offense
  3. masomenos

    masomenos Less is more

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    If you would take Rice over anyone but Johnson then you would be making a huge mistake. Sidney Rice is this years Rashaun Woods, tremendous college production that just doesn't project well at the NFL level. Rice just doesn't have the explosiveness to get separation consistently against CBs in the NFL. There are at least 10 WRs worth taking before Rice this year. And I'm not comparing stats like you asked me to, but let's look at some of Rice's stats from last season.

    7 catches for 151 yards 0 TDs against WOFFORD
    9 catches for 161 yards 5 TDs against FLORIDA ATLANTIC
    8 catches for 103 yards 0 TDs against CLEMSON
    8 catches for 139 yards 1 TD against HOUSTON
    6 catches for 90 yards 2 TDs against MIDDLE TENNESSEE ST

    38 catches for 644 yards 8 TDs against LOW LEVEL OPPONENTS

    That means WELL over half of his production (yards and TD wise) came in 5 games against a lower level of competition. This year Rice had 6 games where he failed to have at least 75 yards recieving, and in those 6 games he didn't score a single TD. How's that for disappearing in games? He had one good game against a good team, and that was against Arkansas and a highly athletic but highly overrated Chris Houston.

    Pass on Rice.
  4. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Their team totals were 389 attempts for South Carolina and 368 attempts for LSU.

    But the point wasn't the number of attempts. If I had Jerry Rice, I would throw the ball just because I had Jerry Rice. If the only WRs I had were scrubs, then I wouldn't throw the ball as much. In the SC offense, they throw the ball regardless of whether the players are any good, because that's simply their offensive scheme. So in the end, you could have Jerry Rice getting 100 catches because he's Jerry Rice, and Joe Schmoe getting 100 catches because he's in a pass-happy system. That doesn't mean that Joe Schmoe is as good a receiver as Jerry Rice.
  5. Bob Sacamano

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    and 1 of those attempts was by Sidney Rice, 1 was by Ryan Succop, 1 was by Kenny McKinley, 2 by Tommy Beecher, 4 by Cade Thompson, and 15 by Chris Smelley, c'mon now, let's count the people who were really throwing the football

    that's all well and good but the top 4 LSU WRs had 65, 56, 59 and 35 receptions compared to 72, 51, 35 and 14 for South Carolina

    the fact is that both teams were pass-happy last year
  6. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    The point I made flew completely over your head.
  7. Bob Sacamano

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    I got your point, but look at the statistics for the top 4 WRs on both teams, it doesn't apply in this case, as only 2 South Carolina WRs were made to look even remotely productive, as compared to 3 LSU WRs
  8. PlayMaker88

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    Look up common opponets between Bowe, Rice, and Johnson...see what you get....you listed Clemson as a weak opponet.....Johnson's catches against Clemson 0 for 0 yrds
  9. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    I'm not sure how that negates the argument, but ok.

    Sure. Let's take a look at common opponents.

    Mississippi State:
    Bowe - 5 catches for 95 yards and 1 TD.
    Rice - 2 catches for 13 yards and 0 TDs.

    Auburn:
    Bowe - 4 catches for 54 yards and 0 TDs.
    Rice - 4 catches for 48 yards and 0 TDs.

    Kentucky:
    Bowe - 6 catches for 111 yards and 3 TDs.
    Rice - 1 catch for 15 yards and 0 TDs.

    Tennessee
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    Bowe - 6 catches for 89 yards and 1 TD.
    Rice - 3 catches for 52 yards and 0 TDs.

    Arkansas:
    Bowe - 5 catches for 68 yards and 0 TDs.
    Rice - 7 catches for 126 yards and 1 TD.

    Florida:
    Bowe - 6 catches for 50 yards and 0 TDs.
    Rice - 7 catches for 72 yards and 0 TDs.

    Total Stats for Common Opponents:
    Bowe - 32 catches for 488 yards and 5 TDs.
    Rice - 24 catches for 326 yards and 1 TD.

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    You're right. How could possibly not see that Rice is 10 times better than Bowe?
  10. B Smooth

    B Smooth New Member

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    The cowboys would be trading back if the draft falls this way.
  11. masomenos

    masomenos Less is more

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    Hey thanks for doin my dirty work and looking up common opponents, I just got on to do that exact same thing. Its funny how people can make a claim like "Player A" is 10 times better than "Player B" and tell you to just look at the stats...and then when you look at the stats they almost completely contradict what the person said. Rice is greatly overrated I mean just watch one of his highlight videos ( http://youtube.com/watch?v=vyTyCnw7AH8 ) and look at the lack of separation he's getting. Yes he makes some nice catches in traffic, but there are only about 2 plays where he's actually separated from the defender and one of them is him finding a hole in zone coverage.
  12. Bob Sacamano

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    how can a system being helping a player more, when it's not as good as another when compared?

    you can't say South Carolina's system helped Rice more than it did Bowe, because LSU's system was better, the stats prove otherwise
  13. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    I'm not sure what you're saying here.
  14. Bob Sacamano

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    that we shouldn't note that South Carolina's offense had anything to do w/ anything
  15. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Ok, but why? I've told you why I think we should. And you've attempted to refute my point, but I can't quite understand what you're trying to say.
  16. Bob Sacamano

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    what are you talking about? I'm just refuting an inconsistency in your argument
  17. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    You said that my "passing system theory" didn't work because only two USC players were productive, whereas three LSU players were productive.

    My question, is how does that refute my "passing system theory?"
  18. Bob Sacamano

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    because the USC passing system wasn't helping Rice anymore than LSU's was helping Bowe
  19. PlayMaker88

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    You also have to take the QB into account. Not to mention Rice was constanly double covered....
  20. ThreeSportStar80

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    Wow, I can't see the Cowboys letting Jarvis Moss stay on the board if he's there at 22. Too much of a physical talent!

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