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Secret source of phony Iraq intel outed

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by jterrell, Nov 2, 2007.

  1. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071102/ap_on_go_ot/us_iraq_curveball

    WASHINGTON - The Iraqi defector code-named "Curveball," whose false tales of biological weapons labs bolstered the U.S. case for war, wasn't the prominent chemical engineer he claimed to be and invented stories to help his case for asylum in Germany, a new report says.


    "Curveball" is Rafid Ahmed Alwan, who did study chemical engineering but made poor grades and never managed a biological weapons facility, according to CBS' "60 Minutes," which will broadcast on Sunday a report describing how Alwan became a secret intelligence source.

    Although known publicly only by his code name, Curveball has been repeatedly discredited by investigations of the United States' faulty prewar intelligence and became an embarrassment to U.S. spy agencies. A presidential intelligence commission found that Curveball, who mostly told his stories to German intelligence officials who passed them on to the U.S., was a fabricator and an alcoholic.

    "60 Minutes" reports that Alwan arrived at a German refugee center in 1999 and began spinning his tales of a facility making mobile biological weapons in an effort to gain asylum. The ploy apparently achieved his goal, and Alwan is assumed to be living in Germany today under an assumed name.

    Although German intelligence officials warned the CIA that Curveball's claims of mobile bioweapons labs were unreliable, and U.N. inspectors determined before the war began in 2003 that parts of his story were false, the Bush administration continued to promote the existence of such mobile labs for months after the invasion, until it was widely accepted that they could not be found.
  2. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    Chalabi (sp?) and now this guy.

    Great sources we have, and even though we found out they were bad sources, it would appear it would not stop the war machine admin.

    On a side note. I think I read somewhere that they are talking about using Chalabi AGAIN on some things.
  3. jterrell

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    During the cold war both the Russians and US planted fake defectors. Even real defectors made themselves sound better because the level of compensation and lifestyle depended upon them being seen as major catches.

    Its all very interesting stuff but also all very much a circle j at times, rofl.
  4. arglebargle

    arglebargle Well-Known Member

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    They were pipelining raw reports uptop, without any analysis or vetting of the sources. Anything that agreed with their preconcieved notions, that is. There were a whole coterie of Iraqi ex-pats who played these guys like a fiddle. Chalabi was getting millions from the US government, and was Rummie's choice for our Iraqi puppet. Of course, we later on tried to seize him for passing secrets to the Iranians. Sigh.....
  5. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    Yeah, blaming our intelligence agencies is easy, but a bit too facile... the Bush administration accepted ANY intelligence that fit its agenda uncritically, and summarily rejected any that did not fit said agenda...

    I'm not saying our intelligence agencies are blameless, mind you, merely that those who try to lay all of the blame off on them do so because they don't want to lay ANY of the blame off on Dubya and his little gang of neocons...
  6. arglebargle

    arglebargle Well-Known Member

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    I agree. The present administration made it perfectly clear to all that if you didn't play ball the way they wanted it, it would affect your prospects on the job. You find this everywhere, and it went deeper into the organizational structure than in most previous administrations. The intelligence field is not completely full of ignoramuses, and even the slower of them could see that if you wanted to move up, you had to please the bosses. And that became telling them what they wanted, not 'providing accurate analysis'.

    Now there is always a certain amount of this at any time, but as usual, this administration has pushed the limits.

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