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Senior Bowl talent strong at prominent position

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  1. Nors

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    High risk, reward with pass rushers

    Senior Bowl talent strong at prominent position

    By Bill Williamson
    Denver Post Staff Writer





    Mobile, Ala. - Tampa Bay Buccaneers defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin said he believes the most difficult player to find on his side of the ball is a pass rusher.

    Kiffin and the rest of the Bucs' coaching staff are getting an up-close look at the talent at the Senior Bowl as they prepare to coach the South team in Saturday's game. And he's keeping his eyes open.

    "You never know with these guys," Kiffin said. "It's one of the toughest positions to scout because of the gamble involved with pass rushers. The extra time is great and by the looks of it, there are going to be some players in this draft that will help teams."

    That's encouraging news for the Broncos. The team's scouting contingent obviously kept a close eye on the defensive linemen this week.

    A pass rusher is Denver's greatest need. The team will monitor that position leading up to the April 23-24 draft. The Broncos will pick 25th in the first round.


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    Denver has a glaring need at the position. It is uncertain how effective defensive end Trevor Pryce can be in his first season back after missing nearly all of the 2004 season because of back surgery. Defensive end Reggie Hayward, who led the team with 10 1/2 sacks, will be a free agent. The Broncos hope to re-sign him, but he is one of the better pass rushers available.

    Many league observers think about five or six pass rushers will be taken in the first round this year, between ends and tackles.

    Among the available crop are Dan Cody of Oklahoma, Erasmus James of Wisconsin, Marcus Spears of LSU and Mike Patterson and Shaun Cody of Southern California. Georgia's David Pollack and Demarcus Ware of Troy also are intriguing prospects.

    If the Broncos set their sights on a defensive lineman in the first round, they may be able to get Patterson, Shaun Cody or Ware.

    "It's one of the better groups out there," Tennessee Titans general manager Floyd Reese said. "There seems to be quality there, and that will help because everyone needs pass rushers."

    Many scouts said evaluating pass rushers is difficult, and highly drafted pass rushers who fail in the NFL often do so because of size. Teams often select undersized players, hoping they will bulk up and keep their quickness and pass-rushing effectiveness.

    "Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't," Minnesota Vikings scout John Fitzpatrick said. "Those guys are scary. They may look good in college and on film. Then they come to the big boys and they can't get it done, and then you're stuck."
  2. ddh33

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    I guess I'll put this here...

    A guy who has gotten a lot of buzz at the Senior Bowl is Matt Roth. A lot of folks are talking about him being a speed rusher off the edge. Randy Mueller thinks he would be a perfect fit as an OLB in a 3-4 front. That might make him a prime prospect for a team like Dallas.
  3. junk

    junk I've got moxie

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    Ferentz himself has basically called Roth a liability in coverage.
  4. Bobo

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    I'm making picks for the Boys on a mock draft at another site, and I took Spears at 11. Supposed to be looking real good at the SR Bowl, saw some nice plays on ESPN. Anyway, may still be a reach there, and I would have liked to have traded down and possably still taken him and maybe picked up a 3rd round pick.

    But now I'm trying to figure out #20. I'd like a DE/LB tweener since we don't know what base defense we'll have next year :p
  5. Rack Bauer

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    Don't mean to be rude, but Spears is a horrible pick at #11.
  6. Bobo

    Bobo New Member

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    Like I said, would have traded down, but still probably taken him with a mid to late round pick. Most everyone I would have wanted was gone before the Boys pick. I think it's only a 2 round mock, and I didn't want the hassle of trying to trade the pick anyway. So it wasn't really about the 11th pick as it was about who was left and who could help the team most.
  7. Rack Bauer

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    Yeah, but you could of drafted the BPA and Spears still would of been there at #20.
  8. Nors

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    Great size, well coached. He will go higher than most think.
  9. Bobo

    Bobo New Member

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    DJ, Rolle, Williams, Edwards, Pac Man, and Thomas Davis were off the board. Caddy was the BPA, but that's not the right pick imo. I think most of the guys left are mid to late rounders that wouldn't grade out much different. Not a stud FS there, top 2 CB's gone, maybe the best defensive player in DJ gone, not even the top 2 WR's left.

    I still think front 7 on D is most needed on this team, and Spears could line up a few different spots in a 4-3 or 3-4. There should be other guys at 20 that could line up as RDE in the 4-3 or a OLB in the 3-4.
  10. Nors

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    Pollack
    Troy Williamson
    Merriman
    Cody/Patterson
    Clayton
  11. Bobo

    Bobo New Member

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    I thought about Pollack, or some of the other top DE's or DE/LB's. I think Spears is a little above Cody and Patterson. I haven't seen much of Hawthorne, but wasn't impressed with what I saw.
  12. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    Spears will go ahead of Pollack.
  13. CowboysFan02

    CowboysFan02 Degree or Bust

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    What do you guys think of Demarcus(sp?) Ware with 1B or our 2nd pick. He looked pretty good at the practices.
  14. Oh_Canada

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    Agreed....Spears is underrated in my opinion.
  15. numnuts23

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    Ellis = Spears. Don't get me wrong, I think Ellis is a great DE, but he's more suited for the run, and not a pass rusher. Maybe even less of a pass rusher than Ellis is.
  16. Nors

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    He had a good sack season? What 8? have to look it up. Good on run.

    Spears is more Seymour - Big and can break a line down, disruptive, solid. Seymour/Spears are the same guy. 3-4 DE's - no gaudy Sack stats - but all pro calibre. Seymour came from nowhere that draft.......
  17. Oh_Canada

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    I think if we can trade down a bit and pick up Spears and either Merriman or Wallace, the Boys will have gone a long way in solving it's defensive problems from a year ago.
  18. Nors

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    We land Spears AND Merriman, add picks too? I'm all for that.

    We instantly are bigger and better in front 7. ILB is a later Goo Wallace pick or FA add!
  19. irvin88

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    such a pats fan.
  20. Nors

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    I have read other posters make same comparisons. I actually hate the Pats, but as they are on brink of 3 Super Bowls in 4 years I respect their player personel and coaching. They are tops.

    To dismiss Spears because he's not a sack machine is silly, I gave a legitimate referenced reason. And your point was? Add to the forum dude! Bust my balls? At least bring something factual or an educated opinion.

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