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Sick of RGIII

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  1. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    We don't know we can only speculate but Washington drafted a QB with the #2 overall pick who most felt would be a terrific NFL QB and so far he's delivered. I mentioned Kolb and Flynn who looked great with limited starting opportunities only to fail for other teams once they were given the chance to be the starter. Frank Reich looked excellent in limited opportunities as a starter in Buffalo subbing for an injured Jim Kelly. Reich was part of the biggest comeback in NFL history during the 92 playoffs vs Houston helping the Bills overcome a 32 point deficit. Once he got the opportunity to be a starter he flopped. I can list many other examples of QB's who've looked good with limited opportunities only to flop over the long haul when given a starting role. You simply can't judge a QB off of one or two real good games or you're could end up screwed.

    Some went nuts over Tanney after one good preseason performance and were ready to dump Orton. One FAN proclaimed Tanney would eventually be Romo's replacement and to make it down. :rolleyes: Washington will likely trade Cousins at some point and could potentially get a high draft pick for him because teams get desperate for a QB. Although the Skins may be hesitant to trade him with the hits and injuries RG3 received last season. They'll need Cousins as insurance but it will be hard to hold on to him past his first contact if he continues getting opportunities and looks good. Other teams will be interested and doubt Washington would want to pay a lot for a backup QB. Glad to see you changed you avatar now I won't confuse you.
  2. Irvin88_4life

    Irvin88_4life Well-Known Member

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    Look up his game stats. Anyways it doesn't matter you and a few others will be on top Griffin no matter what so it does no good to even try to debate. I'm finish with this conversation. Like I said OVERRATED
  3. Pessimist_cowboy

    Pessimist_cowboy Well-Known Member

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    rg3 is the most overrated diva ive ever seen . 2900 yards 20 tds ? what a joke. gonna break his dumb leg again.
  4. SkinsFan82

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    Who will be the first to take the bait? Eh....Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh? :)
  5. NIBGoldenchild

    NIBGoldenchild Well-Known Member

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    Maybe you should've looked up his game stats before you opened your mouth. He averaged 26.2 passes a game and didn't have a single game where he threw less than 15 passes, and in that game he was 14-15, nearly perfect. No where near your exaggerated "ten or less".
  6. CowboyFan74

    CowboyFan74 Cowboys Analyst

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    Ware him down.............
  7. Califan007

    Califan007 Well-Known Member

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    Helluva lot more than "one bad game". Over the previous three games before being benched, Grossman had thrown 2 TDs against 7 INTs, and was making the dumbest decisions imaginable.
  8. Califan007

    Califan007 Well-Known Member

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    You got his stats wrong...it was 1,700 yards and 12 TDs.
  9. Califan007

    Califan007 Well-Known Member

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    Did you forget his first game, against the Saints? RG3 only threw 7 passes in that game. And they were all screens. True story.
  10. Sonny#9

    Sonny#9 Well-Known Member

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    They tried that. Griffin scorched your secondary so badly on Thanksgiving that Ryan was forced to sell out on the pass. Morris ran for 200. Both games Ware was a non-factor--totaling 3 tackles and no sacks in 2 games. He also has to deal with Trent Williams.
  11. khiladi

    khiladi Well-Known Member

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    I fail to see your point:

    1. So was Shanny the catalyst before the 7 game win streak or was RG3? They were 3-6 with RG3 as their starter. The difference between 2011 a 2012 is that in 2012, the Redskin were still in the division race, cause the whole NFC East blew chunks in terms of records at that time. What exactly is your point in comparing the two, especially when in 2011, Shanny actually did start playing with next season in mind.

    2. Wait, you bench QB when you start off 3 and 1, because of one bad game, for an unproven bust like John Beck. And that too, when your leading the division? The point I was making is not that RG was all-world, but that he was playing well as the wijns indicae, you know the contention of difference between 2011 season and 2012 per the person I was respondin too. RG is what he is, but he was getting the job done, which was winning games. The idea that one uses 5-11 as some sort of benchmark, without taking into account the totally un-called for play by Shanny is utterly absurd. John Beck absolutely sucked. Unless your trying to argue that the Redskins were better off with Jeff Beck and would not have won more games if they never benched RG. Is that what your arguing?

    3. 13 games is the FULL SEASON, after the fact. That has little relevance to what happened when Jeff Beck was first inserted into the line-up. I had already stated that the Redskins threw in the towel once they moved to the bottom of the division. As far as Beck, we can see why they inserted him per KYLE'S own words:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...ck-era-begins-for-the-redskins?urn=nfl,wp9947

    So your still going to argue that Beck played over RG, because of pneumonia, which he did get after he benching. Well, let's see how RG understood the benching:

    4. And RG threw the ball over sixty times more that RG3 in 2 less gas of the regular season and got about the same yardage, meaning Shanny wasn't attacking downfield with RG3 like he was with RG. Thus, it is only logical his INTs would go up.

    5. Again, as I stated,

    Even if one says LaVar hates, as I stated before that:

    It was just LaVar blasting Shanny, it was all of DC. Your seriously not going to contend with me that people weren't calling for Shanny's head, especially when they were claiming that Shanny made no QB improvements, and went with RG and Beck that year, knowing what RG was. We don't even have to go to Mike, we can go to Kyle Shanahan and how DC was trashing him.
  12. khiladi

    khiladi Well-Known Member

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    He also needed shoulder surgery in the off-season and clearly wasn't himself, especially the last game. Our LB corp was also injured, Sean Lee the captain of the defense, followed by Bruce Carter. If you think decent, let alone, all-pro LB play isn't necessary in stopping the run on read-option, what can one say...

    BTW, If anybody was the MVP of the season last year, it was Spencer. Sean could have been, but he didn't play the whole season.
  13. khiladi

    khiladi Well-Known Member

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    Not being the primary receiver could point to the fact that he had Reggie Wayn ahead of him. Is Reggie Wayne not special? Additionally, your claim about Garcon not being at the top of the list are utterly laughable considering the Redskins signed him immediately at the beginning of free agency. Your right though he wasn't the primary WR they were targeting, which was Eddie Royal, meaning they were looking to revamp their starting WR corp. But that is different then saying he was well down the list of top free agent WRs.

    And yes, when your 3-2 and leading the division and you see that Beck can't throw the ball downfield, that is without justification. What coach in their right mind benches QBs, in such a situation, especially when it could throw one's team out of whack.
  14. CowboyFan74

    CowboyFan74 Cowboys Analyst

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    Yeah that was a subtle pun for this season pal, Ware was playing with one arm last time we met...

    Zing!!!!!!
  15. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Reggie Wayne is an excellent receiver which is why Indy kept him and let Garcon walk. Garcon wasn't even in the top 10 WR free agents on the market the best I could find was 11th on the list below and he was much further down the list than that on other free agent WR rankings. Gacon is a decent receiver nothing more than that and his career numbers back it up. Like I mentioned he never produced more 67 catches for 784 yards with Peyton Manning that says it all about him. Eric Decker wasn't the primary receiver in Denver but he put up a career high 84 catches for 1064 yards with Manning. In 2010 Jacob Tamme had the same 67 catches as Garcon and almost as many receiving yards.

    If a receiver can't put up many yards and catches with Peyton Manning as their QB they're just another receiver. Laurent Robinson who only had one good season in Dallas and was terrible in JAX was rated ahead of Garcon. For what Washington paid Garcon he should have been the primary WR they were targeting. Grossman threw 6 int's in his last 2 games in 2011 before getting benched. He had passer ratings of 48.5 and 23.7 he was getting worse every week. He tossed 4 picks vs Philly only completing 9 passes to his own teammates which is why he got benched. When the bad Rex starts showing up you have to put him down for awhile. Shanahan was looking for a spark and tried Beck that's what teams do when they have a crappy QB situation.


    http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2012WR.php

    http://www.footballsfuture.com/2012/fa/wr.html
  16. Sonny#9

    Sonny#9 Well-Known Member

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    Fine...how do you explain the 1st game? Or the fact that Griffin was playing on one leg?
  17. CowboyFan74

    CowboyFan74 Cowboys Analyst

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    Assignments were predictable and got exploited. Now in the 4-3 Ware has one mission and its not gonna be pretty sonny...
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  18. Califan007

    Califan007 Well-Known Member

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    As opposed to RG3, who was the epitome of health in that game and didn't have any off-season surgery whatsoever lol...
  19. NIBGoldenchild

    NIBGoldenchild Well-Known Member

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    Shanahan wasn't attacking down the field more with Grossman, Rex was forcing it down the field while Griffin protected the ball better last year. Rex threw 23 passes longer than 30 yards, 381 yards, 1 TD and 7 INTs. Griffin threw 17 passes longer than 30 yards, for 267 yards, 4 TDs and 0 INTs. Six more passes and a -10 turnover differential.

    I actually watched the games, not just used spin the stats to favor my argument. Griffin's deep passes were right on the money. Beck was afraid to throw a pass five yards beyond the line of scrimmage, and Rex was throwing ducks to WRs in triple coverage. If you didn't watch then don't assume you know what happened.
  20. Sonny#9

    Sonny#9 Well-Known Member

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    Oh right, a position change for a 31-year old, now-undersized DE. I don't see a problem at all. Plus, he still has to contend with big Trent Williams.

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