Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by WoodysGirl, Sep 14, 2008.
But his star pupil of 20 years is running.
So, she's basically saying that she hopes her god's plan is a better plan than allah's plan, right?
Gotcha. Sounds like a good chess match. Who will prevail?!?!
So, what do you think will happen?
You think Obama's gonna change the national anthem to a Ludacris song?
Surely, the people in Iraq deserve some sort of divine plan too, no?
It's only fair.
The decision is not ours, hence the impetus of Palin's request.
except that isn't true, man is making the decision unless you believe God tells us all what to do and we are merely automatons?
isn't that really a distinction without a difference?
From a Christian perspective, God incorporates every action and every deed into His overriding goal.
It's not that we don't have free will. It's that God already knows all you have ever done and all you will ever do. Our perspective is limited to one dimension of time while God's perspective isn't.
So, you're contending that stating "I'm praying for a million dollars" is the same as stating "I have a million dollars"?
Perhaps the rules of Canadian English are different from the rules of American English, but here in the US, those statements have completely different implications.
I understand that is what fundamentalist christians believe. If however it is all part of his goal, then aren't we mere puppets and he is the grand puppeteer directing everyone to his goal?
There are so many bad things that happen in the world, how can they possibly be part of his goal? I mean what goal could the tsunami in 2004 have had? Does killing 220000 innocent victims serve a purpose?
Another extreme example, what goal did the holocaust help god reach?
Let's not turn this into a religious thread please.
I think the board needs a religious forum.
Quit thinking. :
A puppet has no free will and no measure of control over its own destiny. You, on other hand, have a substantial measure of control over your own destiny. It's simply that God already knows everything you're ever going to do; He exists in more than one dimension of time.
Bad things happen because you have free will.
And history has taught us that even the most despicable acts and horrendous events can have positive consequences. It's similar to the story of the Shaolin Monk: "We'll see."
CC, if you have any more questions, please direct them to my PM.
I was referring to the first part of your comment, not the million dollar one. I still see it as just trying to fudge.
some people, even scientists, will argue we have no free will...for example, a classic study:
Curiously, considering it is over 20 years old, a single experiment dominated our discussions. Reported in 1983 (and replicated variously) by Benjamin Libet at the University of California, San Francisco, the experiment is crucial because it seems to show we don't have free will. Using an electroencephalogram, Libet and his colleagues monitored their subjects' brains, telling them: "Lift your finger whenever you feel the urge to do so." This is about as near as we get to free will in the lab.
It was already known that there is a detectable change in brain activity up to a second before you "spontaneously" lift your finger, but when did the urge occur in the mind? Amazingly, Libet found that his subjects' change in brain activity occurred 300 milliseconds before they reported the urge to lift their fingers. This implies that, by measuring your brain activity, I can predict when you are going to have an urge to act. Apparently this simple but freely chosen decision is determined by the preceding brain activity. It is our brains that cause our actions. Our minds just come along for the ride.
actually, I wish I had no free will because then I could never be wrong for anything, would be perfect
I could skank on my wife and say, sorry hon, I just had to do it