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Snyder Says Redskins name will never change

Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by sbark, May 11, 2013.

  1. Califan007

    Califan007 Well-Known Member

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    Yep...no matter how much some may want to equate "Redskin" with offensive racial slurs like the "N word", they are apples and oranges. "But it identifies a race by the color of their skin!!" seems to be the default battle cry...like if you can't actually bring anything historically and socially factual to the table, you at least always have that to fall back on.

    Quick question for anyone who wants to answer: As a black man, should I be more offended being called "Black", or being called "African American" when none of my ancestors came from Africa, and it's only assumed they did because of my skin color?
  2. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    I'm sure you do.

    It's not calling someone 'white' or 'black'. It's 'red-skin'. White-skin or black-skin would be similarly offensive, yes.

    However you prefer to rationalize it, the fact is that if people are offended by a term it is, by definition, offensive. Now, some people are going to be offended by any term, so it's a sliding scale. You'd probably have to agree that your team name is considered the most offensive name in the NFL, and by a wide margin. If that's ok with you, then there's not really much to talk about. But your carefully articulated argument to the contrary doesn't disprove the basic fact that many native Americans--and many Americans of other descent--find your team name offensive. They may not be a majority, but that doesn't mean that the offense is necessarily all in their heads.
  3. NIBGoldenchild

    NIBGoldenchild Active Member

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  4. EGG

    EGG Well-Known Member

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    Schooled!! :bow:
  5. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Regardless of what anyone says, that name will 100% for sure change some day.
    It may or may not be while Danny boy is owner, but it will have to go (for right or wrong) one of these days.

    This is not a statement on what the term means or it's intent. It's more of a statement of the world we live in now and in the future.
  6. NIBGoldenchild

    NIBGoldenchild Active Member

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    I don't know why I didn't see this earlier. It's interesting you bring up the Native American man on the helmet. A Native American Chief actually petitioned the team to have that logo replace the red R. The team liked the idea and asked this chief for a number of potential improvements, and the current helmet logo was chosen.

    I guess no one told him he was supposed to be offended. :)

    http://helenair.com/news/tribal-leader-rubbed-elbows-with-elite/article_cdd827b1-877b-5c63-b8fb-0a9d91d03383.html

    I hope no one is offended that his Indian name is "Blackie", God forbid someone gets their feelings hurt about a name he was proud of.
  7. MartinRamone

    MartinRamone Well-Known Member

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    They shouldnt change it, people will always find a reason to be offended.
  8. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    Good for him. Glad to hear it.

    The bottom line is you'd have to be completely brain dead to think they decided to name themselves a negative term. Obviously that wasn't the intent. It's the reverse in fact. To honor.

    Those that are offended by it need to deal with it. That's life. Your offense offends me.

    They are the Washington Redskins. Our rival. Today's PC society of whiny victims shouldn't be allowed to change that.
  9. ghst187

    ghst187 Well-Known Member

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    She should probably get over herself, I'm offended that she's ignorant and offended by this..... and that she probably votes.
    I think the debate is really really ridiculous....HOWEVER....if it causes a ton of pain to that franchise I'm all for it!
  10. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    You missed the point entirely. How or why it was chosen wasn't what I was going for. The fact it was chosen to be a Native American WITHOUT face paint is evidence that nobody thinks of the term as referring to face paint.

    The origin of the word is meaningless because nobody associates it with face paint on any sort of scale. I would say the only one's who do are either Native American historians (provided thats even the true origin of it) or Redskin fans who are trying to find some sort of justification for the name. I'd wager the only reason you can even cite the face paint aspect is because you googled the origin of the term.

    It is what it is. Personally you'd be better off just saying that you don't think it's offensive instead of trying to argue that the implied use today is the exact same as it was when it was first coined.
  11. RastaRocket

    RastaRocket Sanka, Ya Dead Mon? Ya Mon.

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  12. Szczepanik

    Szczepanik Well-Known Member

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    I don't want them to change their name. They are our biggest rival, and granted that on the football field I wish for them to be miserable, I don't want them to be miserable off of the field.

    Even though it might be derogatory in a field of context, I view it as an honoring of the indigenous people of the land before D.C was constructed.

    If we want to pick apart and analyze team names here we can do that too many teams. Ok the Raiders? Who pillaged, raped, caused chaos, and were seen as an immoral group of rebels? America is too nit picky about a lot of things now. As a country we are gaining a lot of headway into equality for all people, which I agree with. However let us not over analyze and turn everything into a racial debate in the process.
  13. Red Dragon

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    But that may be simply because people have become accustomed to it over time, though.


    If there were a sports team that were called the "(N word)s" and had been around for decades, chances are people wouldn't consider the N word offensive any longer either.


    I guess the reasoning can go both ways.
  14. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    Wouldn't that be awful if we changed people's perception of a once highly offensive term? We'd have to find something else to be offended about.
  15. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    look at all the sound and fury directed at something of so little importance.

    Political Correctness

    That is all it is and nothing else.
  16. irishline

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    The origins of the "N word" were not meant to be racist or offensive either. The word was created in 1574 as a mixture of French and Spanish words to simply mean someone was "dark skinned". Oxford English Reference edition stated the word "was not always considered derogatory, because it then denoted "black-skinned", a common Anglophone usage." Other references (such as linked below) state similar beginnings for the phrase.

    Simply put, to base current meaning of a word off of its origin is absolutely meaningless.

    http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/40/messages/250.html

    Additionally if you search the term "Redskins definition", every major reference there lists the word as offensive. Does this mean all the people who write or follow these references (including Oxford which you cited) are "ignorant of it's meaning or easily offended"?

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Redskins
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/redskin
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=redskin
    http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/redskin
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/redskin

    While I personally do not think the Redskin name should be changed, I find your constant blind backing of the word (without any regard to what it may or may not mean to someone I clearly see you have no understanding of, or real desire to) to be quite disturbing.
  17. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    you spent all this time on something of so little importance. Why don't you think about that?
  18. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    FWIW, irishline, I thought yours was a thorough and intelligent post. burmafrd's dismissing it rather than engaging it should tell you something, at any rate.
  19. SilverStarCowboy

    SilverStarCowboy The Actualist

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    As society changes "Cowboys" could be considered as bad next, what then?


    At this rate every name in the League could be questioned at some time in History it has and will.


    It's ridiculous to say the least, Redskins means Pride among the Natives themselves, even if it wasn't the majority (which it is) in your estimation we should strip that pride away like we did the Native American land and their legacy.


    Concluding that the exact same delusional thoughts on this issue of banning a respectable and prideful name of a deserving people, are the only ones urinating on themselves as their agenda is turning a faint yellow.
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  20. Wolfpack

    Wolfpack Well-Known Member

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    Good for Little Dan, stand up for your team and your company. I'd do the same. I grew up loving the Cleveland Indians and its not much different.

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