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Some Defensive Thoughts...

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by junk, Sep 26, 2005.

  1. junk

    junk I've got moxie

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    I expected that the new defense, along with all the new players, would take awhile to come together. However, I have some concerns even at this early point.

    1. The blitz. I thought the big selling point of the 3-4 was that you could blitz from different places to confuse QBs. How come Dallas rarely blitzes anyone besides the OLBers? Dat gets sent on the nickel and has done OK. If James goes, he must be awful. I haven't heard or seen a thing from him all season. The blitz schemes just don't seem very innovative, creative or effective. Maybe that is something that improves as the team becomes more comfortable. This leads me to....

    2. Zimmer. I know its fashionable to bash him. Heck, he gets bashed about the 3-4 and even the 4-3 cover 2 (even though he hasn't run it yet, people still seem to think he is...). I'll say this though. Parcells handed offensive play calling duties to Payton. He dictated that Zimmer change to the 3-4, a defense he is unfamiliar with. Parcells is supposed to be this 3-4 wizard.....so why isn't he helping Zimmer out? In my opinion, any defensive blame has to be just as much of Parcells fault as Zimmers. I am not impressed with the things that either are doing. Is it just a matter of young guys picking things up before they open it up more? I hope so.

    3. I have no doubts that the defensive talent is better this year than last. The results compared to last year? Same record. More yards allowed, more points allowed. 1 more sack and 2 more interceptions.

    4. The linebackers. Other than Dat and occasionally Ware, none of these guys have performed worth a lick. James does nothing out there. At least he is not responsible for several long TD runs yet...maybe he is improving. At this rate, he'll be a Pro Bowler when he is 42. For a scheme that emphasizes LBers, don't you think the team should have a few more? Whats wrong with Shanle? He makes the occasional play on the nickel. Seems to have a nose for the ball. What is his major deficiency that keeps him off the field?

    5. The DL. I love the depth. I love the fact that the team has basically two 3 man fronts that would probably both start for many 3-4 teams. I don't like sitting playmakers and talent on the bench though.

    6. Overall, I like a lot of the young talent on the team. I like the FA additions. I realize it is going to take time to gel. I don't like the results so far though. A good defense shouldn't let the San Franciscos of the world put 31 up on them.
  2. Gaede

    Gaede Well-Known Member

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    Another thing, Ellis is doing really good

    The blitz thing really bothers me too. I thought that's what 3-4 defenses do? Ware's the only LB who really rushes the passer on a consistent basis, and that's from the exact same position each time (OLB off the LT).

    That's the main thing that upsets (and confuses) me about this D
  3. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    Fujita got more playing time this game. Looked lost a couple of times, but did come back and create a fumble.
  4. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    That is pretty much all LT ever did. Pass rushers make their money when the offense knows they are coming, but can't stop them. Ware is still learning and I can see some progress between now and the first pre-season game.
  5. junk

    junk I've got moxie

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    And I really hope he becomes someone like Steve Foley for SD. There are a few things that concern me though.
  6. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    I'm afraid that a lot of the pass problems have been because of Keith Davis. If you look at our games, he was the problem in week one with McCardell over the middle, and he had some misplays yesterday. He might be like Tony Dixon last year... It might all look better if he's replaced (or just improves).

    I honestly see the two Redskin TDs as pretty flukey, as I think Roy and Glenn will break at least one of those two plays up 95 times out of 100. And I think Henry will be better than he was yesterday.

    I think Burnett is a big key this year. He's very athletic and aggressive, and can spell Ware. He's the other LB rusher we need... At least for this year.

    Canty and Spears are the real thing, and IMO Ferguson has been very good. I expect him to start this coming week over Glover.
  7. Taylor_Can_Hit21

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    Secondary...from what i have seen...that needs a lot of help. I like the pass rush of your team, and i think the run defense is pretty solid as well.
  8. blindzebra

    blindzebra Well-Known Member

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    We need to do a breakdown of how much teams are passing against us on 1st down, and against our base 3-4.

    I've seen us all out blitz, zone blitz, stunt, send OLBs from the inside, inside LBs from the edge, walk Roy up into what basically becomes a 4-3 with Roy at SLB, we have come with Davis too.

    About the only place we have not blitzed is from the corner.

    I think it is still a work in process, with a lot of youth and different roles for the vets too.
  9. morasp

    morasp Well-Known Member

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    I get your point but 7 of the 31 were from a returned interception.
  10. JohnsKey19

    JohnsKey19 Well-Known Member

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    4. The linebackers. Other than Dat and occasionally Ware, none of these guys have performed worth a lick. James does nothing out there. At least he is not responsible for several long TD runs yet...maybe he is improving. At this rate, he'll be a Pro Bowler when he is 42. For a scheme that emphasizes LBers, don't you think the team should have a few more? Whats wrong with Shanle? He makes the occasional play on the nickel. Seems to have a nose for the ball. What is his major deficiency that keeps him off the field?

    That's the problem here. A 3-4 defense is designed to feature the LBers. When you don't have strong LB play and you're running the 3-4, you have a problem and that's what we're at right now.

    Until our LBers improve or we upgrade that position, we're going to struggle. I actually think it's the position that needs to be addressed more than any other, primarily because of the scheme we're running. It's like we're trying to run a run-and-shoot 5 WR offense with mediocre talent at WR.
  11. Smith22

    Smith22 Well-Known Member

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    We did against the niners early on at least once from what I remember.
  12. Smith22

    Smith22 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly why plenty of people didn't advocate the move to the 3-4 BEFORE we even added Ware, Burnett, Fujita, etc. LACK of talent at LB'er. We NEED Burnett and Fujita to improve quickly and work their way into the starting lineup or we will struggle all year in this defense. Thing is, they both play at OLB unless we move one of them inside.
  13. Cowboysguy

    Cowboysguy New Member

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    Hopefully, getting Burnett healthy will help the linebacker rotation. We need him to be an impact player...
  14. blindzebra

    blindzebra Well-Known Member

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    With Henry or Newman?

    I recall Henry was in tight on a running play where the receiver was close to the OL, and he pursued the play that went the other way, but I don't remember us blitzing a cornerback any other time.
  15. Smith22

    Smith22 Well-Known Member

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    I'm pretty sure it was Henry, so it could have been the played you described.
  16. NorTex

    NorTex Member

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    Junk, if it makes you feel any better, the niners offense "only" scored 24 against our defense.

    Young defense with a lot of new parts and a new scheme...takes time to gel.
  17. ConstantReboot

    ConstantReboot Well-Known Member

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    No one but Parcells knows how to run a true 3-4. Therefore there are alot of problems not only with learning the scheme, but also learning a whole new philosophy. Zimmer doesn't know what to do. Therefore the players really don't know it as well.

    I wish that we would have hired someone who knows how to run a 3-4 defense. Zimmer thought pattern is too conservative. We need someone who has an attack mentality style of defense. Something which Zimmer doesn't bring to the table.
  18. junk

    junk I've got moxie

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    Parcells has to be at least partially to blame. I can't believe people let him off the hook on this.

    Parcells dictated that Zimmer change scheme to something he had never done before. Well, then he better have his hands in there designing plays and helping with calls.

    Any failure on play call or play design reflects just as poorly on Parcells as Zimmer in my opinion. Maybe more so.
  19. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    This is absolute nonsense.

    Mike Zimmer learned the Tampa Bay cover 2 defenses in one off-season then had the Boys finish second in the league running it that season.

    Zimmer has no deficiencies in learning how to coach defenses or schemes.

    He is also aggressive. We have been beaten by 3 long TDs in 2 weeks. 3 long TDs given up because we had defenses called that were very aggressive.

    We stayed in the 3-4 versus SF's 3 wideout sets so we could blitz bigger, stronger guys as opposed to matching up and covering them. That isn't a call Zimmer makes but is designed in gameplanning with the head coach.


    Mike Zimmer was a great defensive coach with Darren Woodson on the field and amazingly withpout any safeties to play any coverage he has struggled.
  20. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    And to build on that thought when teams go three wide they are in effect making it so neither outside lb is going to be effective blitzing. One OLB has to move out to cover a WR and the other OLB is over the TE-- so there you have it.

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