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Speculation: FSU and Clemson to big 12?

Discussion in 'Sports Zone' started by BrAinPaiNt, May 8, 2012.

  1. Sam I Am

    Sam I Am Unfriendly and Aloof!

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    If FSU or Clemson wants to leave they had better start to ball rolling now. They can use the courts to get by the $50M exit fee if they act quickly.
  2. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Good thing they actually don't want to leave.

    Though it is smart of them to explore all options.
  3. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    FSU DOES want to leave. Clemson did but heard they changed their minds.

    Make no mistake about it...FSU did and still does want to leave, they are NOT happy in the ACC. Whether they get to leave now or not is another story.
  4. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    Found your smoking gun. ND gets to share ACC bowl tie-ins....

    That is a huge blow to ACC teams. What bowl is going to take a 7/8 win ACC team over a 6/7 win ND?

    Recap. 11 wins and they go to playoff, 10 wins and they get to OB. 9 wins and they take top ACC bowl status after OB. Anythimg less and they bump all the ACC teams down one without having to play more than 5 of them.

    AND Swarbrick says this move is financially neutral.... holy crap. teams just agreed to LOSE money. every bump down the bowl ladder costs those schools and the ACC.
  5. Cheez

    Cheez New Member

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    maybe they were just trying to get leverage by threatening to leave.
  6. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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  7. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    We could go around on this all day , just like with JT.
    There are some at FSU that are unhappy, yes.
    To say that FSU wants out is a different deal altogether.

    Maybe you guys do too, but I do have a lot of ties (family and admin) to that program and it's boosters. I say the the large majority (75%?) what to stay in the ACC for multiple reasons.

    The situation at FSU and in the ACC is already better now than it was this time last year.

    Anyway, I don't want to get back into this again. Already won one bet to the honorable JT. I'd make another one, but it's hard to bet on how we think a school's feelings are.
    The squeeky wheel gets 10 times the publicity as the other--so of course you'll hear message board and "insider" fodder saying "get us out".

    Just have to respectfully disagree on this one....again.
  8. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    You lose money on lower tier bowls...almost all of them outside the very top ones.

    If you are BCS worthy this would not happen.

    Furthermore, ND affiliation helps revenue.
    I bet it is revenue neutral or very close.
  9. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    The big loser here is the Big East--or what's left of it.

    I bet Louisville and Cincy really want out of that mess.
  10. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    The Big East loses because of Notre Dame.

    It had plenty of years to help solidify that conference but refused to do so.

    Hence the reason I never wanted them in the Big 12 unless there was an iron clad agreement to join in football as well.

    The ACC now is looking more and more like Big East 2.0.

    You got plenty of former Big East full membersship teams and now have Notre Dame coming in as a partial.
  11. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one because no amount of spin can tell me that FSU did not want out and probably still does want out. :cool:
  12. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Yeah, ND gets on my nerves too.

    I'd say the ACC is now like the ACC 2.0---no original members have left in the modern era (USC left 40 years ago).
    Only 4 conferences can say that: Pac 10(12), Big 10, ACC, SEC (Ga Tech left 50 years ago).

    The Big East is getting closer and closer to being Conference USA 2.0...lol.
    Former CUSA members include Cincy, Louisville, USF, Memphis, SMU, Houston...and in non-football, Depaul and Marquette. Jeesh
  13. MC KAos

    MC KAos Well-Known Member

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    deloss dodds has said all along that he along with many of the other ADs were against expansion. i still think if the big 12 invited FSU they would join.
  14. Aikbach

    Aikbach Active Member

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    The Big 12 is a powerhouse across all television sports, so you are correct to dismiss the ACC claim.
  15. Aikbach

    Aikbach Active Member

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    I'll say this though, what is nice about ten teams is you genuinely play the whole conference and the champion has played everyone, unlike in the 12 team format.
  16. Rogah

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    The loss of bowl money is peanuts compared to the added national exposure and guaranteed sellouts they will have from those 5 games per year.

    The ACC made a wise move here, but they're foolish to think ND will ever join in football.
  17. MC KAos

    MC KAos Well-Known Member

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    i dont know about all that, this is 2012, not 1992, ND is barely relevant in football, i personally would much rather go see texas play a good team than ND. I truly wonder how many ND "fans" that arent students or alumni are under the age of 35, i bet most of their fans are getting up there in age, ND has been getting around on name for a while now.
  18. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    snicker

    love the jealousy
  19. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    they voted against the buy out increase... after ND signed.
  20. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    You lose money on bowls outside the top 12 or so now... recall they just revamped or added 3 or 4.

    ACC almost assuredly now loses a spot in a profitable bowl game to ND... UNLESS they play each other int he Orange Bowl.

    The ACC basically gave ND football membership for 5 games and let them keep their bowl shares. That can be as much as 20m if it is a top bowl.

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