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SR Bowl Thoughts

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by LatinMind, Jan 25, 2014.

  1. JDSTAR

    JDSTAR Active Member

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    Now, I am a huge Donald supporter; but I expected better, not much, but better. I still disagree with Latinmind about Donald not being touched until the 2nd. I would do 2 backflips if we made him our first pick (never been able to do 1). I was seriously expecting 3-4 sacks from him today; not his fault, mine, but I still think he is middle of the 1st round material.

    Also, I like Telvin Smith. I see him as a Kam Chancellor type of player, and would love to see him with a star.
  2. Gaede

    Gaede Well-Known Member

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    Didn't watch the game. But I forsee Dee Ford having a meteoric climb up the draft board this year. Like Ware. Everybody (on the internet) thought Ware was a mid-second rounder until it came out a week or so before the draft that the Bucs were gonna take him at like 7 or 8.

    Measurables aside. He's got a skill that is very rare--and I see him going in the first, for sure.
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  3. unionjack8

    unionjack8 Well-Known Member

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    Donald is a 25-35 guy Imo. His size will despite what many think out teams off.
    If we move back like last year I can him being a target for us.
    I think Kelcy Quarles will be better than him at the next level,
  4. GloryDaysRBack

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    @StevePalazzolo: Aaron Donald putting Gabe Jackson on skates http://t.co/cdta1SljtL

    @StevePalazzolo: Donald came back and bull rushed Gabe Jackson to the ground two plays later on Michael Sam's sack
  5. casmith07

    casmith07 I'm the best poster in the game!

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    I agree on Taj Boyd. Just not good.
  6. GloryDaysRBack

    GloryDaysRBack Well-Known Member

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    @StevePalazzolo: Dee Ford may have gotten the sacks, but Aaron Donald was the most dominant player yesterday

    @StevePalazzolo: Donald had five pressures on 22 rushes and would have had 3 or 4 more had the QB not gotten rid of the ball in < 2 seconds a couple times
  7. jterrell

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    No offense but Quarles is a terrible football player.
    He has great measurables but he quits on plays and looks lost regularly.
    He is no where near the football player Aaron Donald is.


    Quarles may have a solid NFL future but you are gambling you can make something of him he's never been.

    With Donald you're saying a guy that dominated in college and in college best all-star game is not going to do same at NFL level.
    That's hard to believe tbh.

    I LOVED Donald in a trade down scenario but now that guy is probably off he board before 16.
    He provides consistent effort and pressure.
    There was one guy at the Senior Bowl who could even occasionally block him... Martin.
    And he was using largely pure bull rush moves so not an issue of running around guys.
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  8. jterrell

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    PFF scored Donald the game's best player.
    He was a +6.8.
    That's a jason hatcher type Pro Bowl number.
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  9. xwalker

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    Quarles would be a solid 2nd round pick. He looked good in the games that I saw and he had 9.5 sacks in 2013. He beat single blocking which is what Marinelli expects from his 3-tech.
  10. casmith07

    casmith07 I'm the best poster in the game!

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    He might not ever be a perennial all-pro, but he would immediately solidify the center of the defensive front from day 1.
  11. jterrell

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    I only keyed on Quarles a couple times and it was in poor SCar games so maybe I read him wrong but ultimately I saw a guy who looked fat not fit at 298 pounds.
    He did beat some single blocking but was very boom or bust in games and took a lot of plays off.
    I watched Wisc and Georgia who have pretty salty OL's admittedly but Quarles didn't make a play in the backfield either game that I saw and mostly played at a stalemate.

    He had a good season from a numbers/awards standpoint but in games I didn't see anything to make him a round 2 guy.

    There is zero doubt the guy is a legit NFL prospect but his games looked VERY VERY different from Aaron Donald's.
    I'd hate to use an R2 pick on him because the guy he reminds of is Marcus Spears.

    I do NOT see him as a 3T right now. Maybe in a couple years.
  12. xwalker

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    I'm not certain what Spears would have done in Marinelli's DL scheme, especially if he didn't get fat due to Wade being the Head Coach. Obviously, Spears would have been a 1-tech not a 3-tech.
  13. jterrell

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    It was BP who loved big players on defense.... he liked spears more then ware.
    Wade liked pass rushers across the board and he wanted pure playmakers.
    I think Spears was just a big guy who wasnt athletically elite.
    The added weight made him a space eater but he was never a pass rush guy at all.

    Hatcher and Ratliff could both really rush the passer, Spears simply couldn't. Don't think any coach is to blame for that.

    Here is the SI 2005 draft profile on Spears who was listed at 307 then.

    POSITIVES: Well-sized, athletic defensive lineman who offers a good degree of upside potential. Forceful up the field, plays through blocks and quick changing direction to pursue the action laterally. Plays low with leverage, balance and body control. Easily moves to the sidelines, can drop off the line of scrimmage and make plays in space or in any direction of the field. Displays an explosive inside move, reads the action and quick locating the ball.

    NEGATIVES: Must improve his tackling technique. Rather easily held up at the point by ordinary opponents. Doesn't always seem in a hurry to get involved in the action or pursue the play if it.s not in his immediate vicinity.

    ANALYSIS: An outstanding athlete who, when on his game, can be a difference maker, Spears offers early first round physical skills yet has late first day motivation. A tough lineman to block, he is a disruptive force rushing the passer, defending the run or even playing in space. Could be a perfect fit at left end in a conventional defense or as a two-gap lineman, but must start to apply himself on a consistent basis to ever reach the potential he possesses.

    to me that's basically Kelcy.
  14. unionjack8

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    I wasn't talking about a round 1 selection. I think in late 2/early 3 Quarles would be a nice pick

    The hyperdrive on Donald needs turning off.

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