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Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by LatinMind, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. LatinMind

    LatinMind iPhotoshop

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    Donald if he doesnt win off the snap he isnt going anywhere. Seeing it today

    Murphy having a better day. Beating Seantrel Henderson easy

    Weston Richburgh C from CSU hadling Daquan Jones and hageman

    Richardson handling Hageman

    Here are 3 plays on Donald and they represent concerns that teams will have on him.

    Murphy again disruptive in these full squad drills


    Here you can see what happens to Donald when he doesnt beat his man off the snap


    This is something im sure teams will be looking at, his lack of height doesnt let him see the draw right next to him, the OL has him completely covered from the play.


    Double team and Donald doesnt go anywhere.

    While donald is quick and can get pressure, if he doesnt win the battle at the snap theres a good chance he will not be productive on that play. These plays where back to back to back too.
  2. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    That's the vast majority of DTs even in the NFL.

    Of course he's going to struggle against double teams being as small as he is. The point is to get him away from them. Idk why they were lining him up in the A gap, that's not what he would do in this defense.
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  3. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    It is probably very unlikely but lets just, for the sake of discussion, envision a DL on pass rush situations of Ware, Hatcher, Donald and Selvie. That would be a very hard protection assignment for an OL to block. In that situation, it's unlikely that Donald would see a double team. JMO.
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  4. tm1119

    tm1119 Well-Known Member

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    Shhh....you're not allowed to say anything bad about Donald around here. He's the golden child already
  5. supercowboy8

    supercowboy8 Well-Known Member

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    It's so funny that he picks three plays where Donald didn't make a tackle or a sack and says he isn't good. On the double team he pushed both guys into the back field. On the draw he was in the back field just a foot away from the hand off. Where was the bigger Dline. Way to just point out Donald there. All three plays he made the push and got into the back field. Just because he didn't make the play he still a disruption.
    HE won every snap in those three plays.
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  6. xwalker

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    The video is slow on my phone. Are you saying that he is lined up as a 1-tech DT?
  7. supercowboy8

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    Your nip picking here and it's sad. Do you expect a player to make an amazing play every snap. Tell me one player that's every did that.

    Do ald isn't a great NT or 1 tech or 3-4 DE 5 tech but he is a perfect 3 tech and that's all he is just so happens that's what we need.

    This scheme he Wil be perfect in.
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  8. supercowboy8

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    Yeah but in that defense is not really a 1 tech. Both DTs do the same thing. Both line up between OG and Center and depends on the play rather they set the run or rush.

    He wasn't in his natural 3 tech position
  9. Future

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    Pretty much. Hard to tell exactly, but he's shooting the A, that's the guy that's always going to get a double team. Third video in particular it looks like he's a one.

    Either way, he's not really playing a 3, which he would in Dallas.
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  10. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    No. That's Tony, that's not a kid who has yet to be drafted.
  11. tm1119

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    I was being sarcastic at 1st but are you reading some of the comments above? Some look like they're from a proud mother defending their children. Not sure I remember another prospect getting so much love so early in the 7 or so years I've been posting here . Its either a really good sign for Donald or a terrible sign for him. Haven't decided yet.
  12. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes, I'm reading them. I read all of it with a certain amount of salt grain but on the other hand, when I watch this kid on film, I see him fitting pretty well into what we do.

    As for other prospects, well, this is not nearly as bad as some I've seen.
  13. xwalker

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    We need a death fight between @AsthmaField and @LatinMind since they are the extremes on love/hate for Donald.
  14. AsthmaField

    AsthmaField Outta bounds

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    I just honestly think that the guy is going to be a very good 3-tech if he gets in the right situation... and I think in Dallas would be the right situation.

    I have posted several times that I think he's going to end up going in the upper half of the first round, but I have also posted several times that it is very early in the process and that I could be wrong about that.

    I've never said I have any concrete proof that Donald is going to either be drafted high or be a star in the NFL, but I do think that is what is going to happen.

    He fits exactly what our defensive line coach wants physically and ability wise. He fits exactly what our head coach and scouts want character and work ethic wise. He is one of the better college DT's that I've seen in a long time and one of the more decorated defenders in a while.

    The only negative on him, which is his size, isn't even really a negative on the Dallas defense.

    Speaking for myself, all of 2014 I kept thinking that Dallas needed a Warren Sapp type to make a difference in that scheme. Well, there he is.

    I will say it again... I could be wrong. I just don't think I am.
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  15. burmafrd

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    my problem with a smaller guy is that they wear down. The Giants got away with it by having the numbers to platoon.

    I like that Ellis- so strong he forces two guys backwards. A push up the middle will cause any QB problems and he would be a nightmare to move on running plays. Maybe him and Donald side by side?
  16. LatinMind

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    True but today in full pads Donald didnt have the day he had in shorts. I think he is going to be good in the sack stats department in the nfl, but i think in the NFL he's going to cost his team in the run game some. And i def think he's going to wear down later in the yr. His frame you can tell there isnt much room to gain weight unless its fat. Guy is already wide and thick
  17. LatinMind

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    LOL just label donald a HOFer already.

    On that double no he didnt take anybody to the backfield. He ran into a wall. On that draw teams allow the inside to get upfield, thats the purpose of the draw. The point is he was nowhere near any chance of a tackle the OLman had he completely shielded. And on that one on one he won the snap but the Olmans long arms allowed him get a hold of Donald and push him laterally and donald was out of the play. Im showing what was on nfl network. And what you saw was basically what happened to him throughout the broadcast. I know ur not going to say he was effective on any of those 3 plays.
  18. LatinMind

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    I like what Donald does but i dont like what he will give up in the nfl.
  19. supercowboy8

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    I don't even understand this statement.
  20. supercowboy8

    supercowboy8 Well-Known Member

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    never said he is going to be a HOFer. All I said is he is the best 3 tech DT in this draft. I don't understand why people don't like him. hen you only argument is size and then he has the same size of players that dominate in the NFL they reach for more stuff like posting 3 videos and trys to see things that aren't there. You see your way, I see it another.

    Whatever I'm done with this. I like Donald and have him as a top 20 player and would be happy to have him picked at 16/17. There are players I would take before him but pretty much the bet DT for this scheme.

    you have yours and I have mine. Just agree to disagree.

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