Video: Stephen Jones: Will Jaylon Play? Zeke Update

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  1. Sydla

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    Jerry challenged the league and won too. And nothing ever came of it in terms of negative backlash against Jerry or the Cowboys.

    Kraft has long had an issue with how the NFL handles matters like this - the whole Brady fiasco and the Spygate issues. Synder was pissed along with Jerry over the NFL salary cap penalty and wanted to press forward with a suit against the NFL. The rumor is Jones was able to reel Snyder in and get them to take one for the "team".

    I don't know if that would mean they'd support Jerry now but certainly, there are reasons why they would.
     
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  2. Sydla

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    Doesn't matter, frankly. What he did was classless and I think the league is justified in punishing him for that. It certainly brought negative PR to the NFL, the Cowboys and Elliott. Fans trying to write that off as no big deal are misguided.

    However, the act doesn't warrant excessive punishment. A heavy fine, IMO, would be sufficient.
     
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  3. Sydla

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    Do people not remember that Jones took on the league over licensing deals, etc?

    So I am not sure the idea that Jones is a patsy who will do what the league tells him to do is accurate. Back in the 90s, he secured his own licensing deals, outside of the NFL Trust, and the league sued him for $300 million. Jones didn't back down and later filed a $750 million anti-trust suit against the league........ and eventually pretty much won.

    He took one for the team in the salary cap situation because he realized there could be a downside to his pushing the lawsuit. Part of the issue with that situation were the allegations that the owners had a private, off the record agreement to not go over the last salary cap in that uncapped year. If Jerry pushes that in a court, it end up proving collusion which the NFLPA would then certainly jump all over. So Jerry, was wise enough to take one on the butt because he saw the larger long term ramifications for the league.

    In this case, there are no ramifications. It's simply a fight to get the NFL to start handling these matters more justly.
     
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  4. ABQCOWBOY

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    No. We are football fans so we think it's huge but in reality, it's not. It's not worth the time and ligation it would cost.
     
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  5. ABQCOWBOY

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    Personal conduct. This is always about image and marketing. It's almost never about what a player is actually doing. I mean, you know this. This is about money and it doesn't matter if folks think it's fair or not. This is a player that represents millions and millions of dollars to the NFL. For all we know, they want to send a message to him. They want him to understand that he needs to get his crap together.

    I think they are going to suspend him.
     
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  6. ABQCOWBOY

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    He does if he wants to win.
     
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  7. Sydla

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    And the basis for this statement is?

    People like to bring up the salary cap issue but there was a logical reason why the Cowboys and Skins backed off.
     
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  8. Sage3030

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    With the amount of money on the line for Zeke, the owners, and with the precedence this will set, the league in general, it absolutely is worth the time and money for Zeke and the NFLPA.
     
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  9. Sydla

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    No he doesn't. If he pushes this to the courts, like he did back in the 90s when he countersued the NFL, he doesn't need the other owners. They have no influence then on the court or the case.

    Plus, if Jones really has no desire to fight the NFL here if they significantly punish Elliott, he and Stephen sure are looking like fools with what they have said in the last few days.
     
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  10. ABQCOWBOY

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    Yeah, but think about what you just said. Jerry took on the NFL over licensing and what happened? Jerry and the Cowboys didn't win. Jerry had his own deal. He had had his own broadcasting, his own manufacturing and distribution, he stood to make much, much more and what happened? He eventually gave in and became part of the NFL licensing agreement. Heck, the NFL Channel was the result of Jerry's idea to create a network and a channel and now, there is no more Cowboy Network. Everybody is benefiting from the Cowboys Brand. Jerry lost that deal.
     
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  11. ABQCOWBOY

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    How much money are talking about? Not much.
     
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  12. Curmudgeon

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    A lot of speculation but we don't know what we don't know - we're not privy to the investigation. But it does seem to be taking a ridiculously long time to make a decision.
     
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  13. Sage3030

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    In the long run? Millions. If just an accusation gets you suspended.... ouch.

    For Zeke alone, if he gets suspended 4 games he loses about a million bucks.
     
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  14. Sydla

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    What are you talking about? He won back then. In the settlement, he was able to cut deals for the stadium, outside of the NFL Properties overreach. And that's a reason reason why the Cowboys are now the most valuable franchise in sports. I believe the Cowboys were already part of the NFL licensing agreement then, so technically, he didn't give up anything at all.

    He also took back distribution of Cowboys merchandise in 2001.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicia...ng-womens-sports-apparel-market/#f82682427812
     
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  15. ABQCOWBOY

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    Millions in an industry that is worth 7.24 Billion in profits per season. This money is nothing in comparison to what is being made in the NFL. Elliott's contract pays him 1.5 million this season. 4 games is like less then 400K.
     
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  16. ABQCOWBOY

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    He lost. He could have made much more money with his own network, his own licensing rights, his own distribution for all sales, the entire deal. Jerry lost there, he didn't win.
     
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  17. Sage3030

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    I was going off average yearly.

    For the players, they don't get the billions. They only get millions. For many, not even that.
     
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  18. ABQCOWBOY

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    I don't think they can take his signing bonus. I think they can only fine him on his base salary so if that's the case, it's seriously less then 400K.
     
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  19. Sydla

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    I am not sure you are accurate.

    When he bought the Cowboys, they were part of the NFL licensing agreement. Here is a section of the initial lawsuit filed by he NFL:

    Here is the full initial complaint:

    http://www.leagle.com/decision/19961771922FSupp849_11678/NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE v. DALLAS COWBOYS

    What Jones did, to circumvent the licensing deal the Cowboys had entered with the NFL, was to sign sponsors for the stadium, which he owned, under a separate corporation. The NFL argued that all Jones was doing was trying to circumvent the licensing agreement by using the stadium corporation and in fact, the stadium corporation was simply a "stand in" for the Cowboys corporation.

    And it makes sense. If the Cowboys and Jones had complete control over their merchandising, like you seem to think they did, then there would have been no reason for him to cut deals with the stadium corporation to get around the licensing deal with the league. He could have just signed his own endorsement deals for the Cowboys.

    So in the end, he was able to keep his stadium deals outside the NFL properties umbrella and he didn't give up additional merchandising and licensing deals because, at that time, most were housed with NFL Properties already.
     
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  20. ABQCOWBOY

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    I never said he had complete control over it. I said if he had won, he would have. His agreements, outside of the NFL, were worth much, much more. Instead, he had to share with the rest of the league. Jerry, according to the rules, was clearly wrong, but there is no question that Jerry lost. He could have made much, much more money on his own, rather then sharing with all of the other teams. I don't even think that's debatable.
     
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