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Substance seeping back into the NFL

Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by erod, Sep 25, 2013.

  1. TheRomoSexual

    TheRomoSexual Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, you have to cling to cliches rather than argue legitimate points, which is another indication that you have no idea what you're taking about.
  2. TheRomoSexual

    TheRomoSexual Well-Known Member

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    Nope. If anything, he's underrated because of the overrated off-field "incidents."
  3. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    I shouldn't have to argue that completing 70 percent of your passes in a college football game does not translate to the NFL. Josh Heupel would be a Pro Bowler if it did.

    Not interested in mentoring you today, and this isn't what the thread was about. Good day.
  4. TheRomoSexual

    TheRomoSexual Well-Known Member

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    Hahahahahha, wow. Heupel completed 64% of his passes as a senior with at 7 y/a. Manziel is completing 70% as a redshirt sophomore with a nearly 12 y/a. Again, I say, hahahahahahahaha. You are just embarrassing yourself here.
  5. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    And won a national championship. Something Aggies would know nothing about. (And I'm not a Sooner.)

    Your coke-loving tool of a quarterback will crash and burn in the NFL. I would bet my house on it.
  6. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    That may very well be true, but that doesn't mean he is an inaccurate QB. I would say accuracy is one of his strengths.

    I don't think the off the field stuff is overblown. He has some issues.
  7. NIBGoldenchild

    NIBGoldenchild Well-Known Member

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    No one has disappeared, at least I haven't. And I'm still waiting for someone to have an accurate point about why it's not working. Half the time you guys are saying DCs have stopped Griffin when he runs it and he's only ran it twice this season.

    Kaep has been exposed in it because, like Joe Webb in the playoffs last year, it isn't effective if the QB can't be a credible threat from the pocket. This is why Griffin worked it to so well last season, because in his post read of the LB, he also has a third option to pull it back and throw. Which is usually a mid-range crossing pattern in the Shanahan offense. Kaep hasn't proven to be nearly as deadly. His footwork is inconsistent, and he's even thrown passes with his torso facing the sideline and not down the field. If he doesn't have a clean pocket, he's toast.

    The only wrinkle I've seen from DCs, which I saw last week against Kaepernick, is defenses are running another LB into the flat, while the LB Kaep was reading takes Gore. Essentially using two defenders to defend it instead of one. I believe that will remain to be an effective method of defending it, just as long as the QB doesn't burn you by passing to the vacated area of the field.
  8. iceman117

    iceman117 Active Member

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    is there any truth to the coke-loving part, I never heard that.
  9. iceman117

    iceman117 Active Member

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    What round do you think Manziel will be drafted? I'm thinking 2nd or 3rd, and I think he will be the 3rd or 4th quaterback taken. Where do you have him rated as a prospect?
  10. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    Me, neither. Just someone making more of Manziel's bad attributes and he does have a few.
  11. visionary

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    i am just trying to make sure if you are talking about the same Kaep who threw for almost 400 yards and 3 TDs in week 1against GB?

    pfffffttttttt

    i guess its back to the drawing board
  12. landroverking

    landroverking Well-Known Member

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    Johnny Football is from my area. He was a problem child in high school and some what of a head case this past off season.
    He someone can reach him and help with the off field issues past and present he may make it in the NFL.
    The just well he's only 20 doesn't really cut it.

    Lots of 20 something kids out there who already men.
  13. AmberBeer

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    The read option has nothing to do with Griffins troubles. His effectiveness is because of his mobility. Now that he has none, the offense is ineffective.
  14. NIBGoldenchild

    NIBGoldenchild Well-Known Member

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    In Week 1 he had blocking, he's been rushed and hurried ever since then. I did say he's toast when he doesn't have a clean pocket.
  15. NIBGoldenchild

    NIBGoldenchild Well-Known Member

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    This is also inaccurate, but I've done this dance with you before and it'll end the same way. We can agree to disagree and see how it all plays out.
  16. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Well-Known Member

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    Cool. Go Cowboys.
  17. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    I have no interest in debating what us self evident , because you have a vested interest in keeping your eyes closed

    You said that Kaep was toast because he " was not a credible threat from the pocket"

    I would submit that a QB who threw for 400 yards and 3 TDs is vrery much a credible threat from the pocket


    So you are changing your story

    The OL has nothing to do with this because any QB would be ineffective if the OL does not protect him, that is just a strawman

    Like I said, have the courage to see or back to the excuse drawing board
  18. NIBGoldenchild

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    LOL! I'm not changing anything, in the same post I said he wasn't a credible threat from the pocket I also mentioned he's at least good enough to complete passes in a game when his OL gives him 7 seconds to pass. Yes, all QBs are affected when their OL performs poorly, yet good pocket passers don't have horrible throwing mechanics in those situations. Kaep does. You're harping about one game, no surprise, since he's never had a game on that level before. So apparently by your logic, he's now some great pocket passer. Is Matt Flynn a great pocket passer too? He threw for over 400 yards in his only start.

    Hey try this, take this imaginary courage you keep talking about and use it to look at all of Kaep's games and not just his best one.

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