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Super Bowl XLVII - 49ers vs. Ravens Game Thread..

Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by Sarge, Feb 3, 2013.

  1. ufcrules1

    ufcrules1 Well-Known Member

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    That simple miss would have put the 49'ers at first and goal at the one with 1:44 seconds left in the game. Crazy to think the outcome could have been completely different if that ref wasn't being so conservative. I don't mind conservative reffing if it is done the whole season that way. I hate that they changed it up just for the superbowl.
  2. Idgit

    Idgit That sounds really boring Staff Member

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    The play before could easily have been called a penalty, but it wasn't all that bad, either, as far as non-calls go.

    I still missed the explanation for the obvious holding on the end zone safety. Anybody recall seeing that and/or know what the explanation was? Is it just that the penalty in the end zone results in a safety, anyway, so it didn't matter and it didn't stop the clock? That's probably it, huh?
  3. ufcrules1

    ufcrules1 Well-Known Member

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    I was talking about during the safety.
  4. wileedog

    wileedog Well-Known Member

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    I also thought the running into the kicker call was terrible, so that's 3 points less the Niners would have and the Raven's in great field position.

    That's the point though, bad calls tend to even out, unless you're the Steelers... ;)
  5. wileedog

    wileedog Well-Known Member

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    What's the difference? Play wouldn't be called dead on a holding call and the result would have still been a safety.

    Should have thrown the flag I suppose, but didn't really change anything.
  6. whynot

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    Exactly, it went both ways and was fair. Doesn't matter if it was inconsistent to the rest of the season (who's to say it was inconsistent with 500+ games) the point is that it was consistent for both teams in the game today.

    And as a result the better team won.
  7. ufcrules1

    ufcrules1 Well-Known Member

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    You don't just not throw a flag just because it might not change the outcome. You think the refs were thinking that during a live play? They didn't throw it because they were being purposely conservative the whole game. Again, I don't mind them being conservative but it should be that way all season and playoffs too.. not just the superbowl. Unless they went and told both teams.. "Hey, were are going to let you guys play out there, we are going to be very conservative with the penalties tonight".
  8. wileedog

    wileedog Well-Known Member

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    The flag during the safety was utterly, completely meaningless. It does not stop the play, so it wouldn't save any time on the clock. The result of the flag is a safety. This is purely a procedural issue.

    Yeah, ok, they should have thrown it. So what?

    REDVOLUTION Return to Dominance

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    You mean the QB that played a flawless, errorless game and got MVP for it?

    Flacco could have won MVP in a loss tonight.
  10. bkight13

    bkight13 Capologist

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    Once the WR becomes a runner and can defend himself, the helmet to helmet rule doesn't apply. It was closer to a fumble than a penalty.
  11. Diogenes

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    I had to revisit this because I just watched the replay again. The fact that Flacco was a runner has nothing to do with it. Anytime the ball carrier (no matter who it is) gets hit late out of bounds it is a penalty. The contact clearly STARTED out of bounds.
  12. Beast_from_East

    Beast_from_East Well-Known Member

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    Good game, really liked the Niners coming oh so close to the biggest comeback in SB history and then choking like a dog on the last series.

    Was Crabtree held?......................yea, looked like he was.

    Was Flacco hit out of bounds..........yea, looked like he was.

    Was Torry Smith grabed in the 1st Q that prevented a TD.........yea, looked like he was.

    This is what they call a "let them play" game folks, the league didnt want a flag fest for the SB so they told the refs to look the other way. Some fans like this, some fans dont............either way, it is what it is so no use crying about it.
  13. brucekr

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    I appreciated how the refs called the game, honestly. There were a helluva lot more penalties than single offsetting personal fouls on that Ed Reed pick. I just remember the refs causing the outcome in my opinion of the Seattle/Pittsburgh superbowl and would rather have them call it conservative and let the players play.
  14. bkight13

    bkight13 Capologist

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    I don't care what anyone thinks, the game is so much better without a flag on every play. Let 'em play and start getting away from "lawyer" ball, where the refs have to huddle all game.
  15. Supercowboy1986

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    Why did SF go for it on 4 th down? Why not a Fg for a tie
  16. Diogenes

    Diogenes Well-Known Member

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    Because a FG isn't worth 5 points?
  17. Supercowboy1986

    Supercowboy1986 Well-Known Member

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    It was 34 31 during the goal line stand wasn't it?

    DOUBLE WING Well-Known Member

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    34-29. Then the Ravens took the safety to make it 34-31.
  19. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    I realize that but I don't think he established possession as a runner or can be viewed as beyond the "defenseless" aspect.

    The fact that it was ruled incomplete means that he didn't have possession long enough to be considered a runner.

    I'm not sure where they would actually draw the line in this particular play but if the WR doesn't have time to establish possession, I don't see how he can have enough time to actually be considered beyond the defenseless aspect.

    I think you bring up a good point about the fumble aspect of it.

    IMO, with the way the rules are set I don't see how it can't be either a fumble or penalty.

    If we say he established possession and therefore a penalty is not in play, it's a fumble.

    If it's not a fumble because he didn't establish possession, and in this case without bobbling it at all which means he didn't have time to make a football move, how is not a penalty?

    The only reasonable explanation is that there's some ridiculously small amount of time between losing the protection of being defenseless and having the ball long enough to be considered in possession and Crabtree was hit in that window.

    Honestly though, how big could this window possibly be? Hundredths of a second? I think that's a bit much to ask officials to differentiate. With the emphasis on safety, we're expecting these guys to distinguish between hits to that sort of degree?

    Here's the defenseless receiver description in the rulebook.


    "Has not clearly become a runner"

    I just don't see how it could be neither. If he had clearly become a runner, that's a fumble. But since it was ruled incomplete, obviously they didn't think that was the case which pretty much has to mean it's a penalty. The contact to the head is as blatant as it gets.

    I think it was a penalty. Whether or not it wasn't might be up for debate but looking at the rules I don't see how anyone can say the right call was made. It doesn't seem possible for it not to be a fumble or a penalty.
  20. Gameover

    Gameover Well-Known Member

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    Flacco is 54-26 in regular season, 102 TDs 56 INTs. 8-4 Playoffs, 1 Ring.

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