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Terry Francona out as Redsox Manager

Discussion in 'Sports Zone' started by Sam I Am, Sep 30, 2011.

  1. Sam I Am

    Sam I Am Unfriendly and Aloof!

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    Wow. The guy not only breaks the curse of the Bambino, but produces TWO World Series Championships. The first two since 1918 and they can him?

    IMO, they should have shook up the club house, not fired the manager. I think Fancona is a good manager. The players are the ones that got soft. Sometimes when you are paying enormous amounts of money to a guy, the only person that can slap him in ownership.

    The players being soft are the reason for the implosion.

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    BOSTON -- Terry Francona's memorable run as manager of the Red Sox, in which he guided the club to its first two World Series championships since 1918, is reportedly over.

    Two days after the Red Sox became the first team in Major League history to miss the postseason after holding a nine-game lead in September, SI.com's Jon Heyman reported that the club has decided not to pick up Francona's option for next season, which was worth $4.25 million. The Red Sox also held an option on Francona's contract for 2013.

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  2. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Is this confirmed? I have not seen anything that confirms his termination as yet.
  3. Stautner

    Stautner New Member

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    Red Sox website says they are going to take some time to ponder the future before making any decisions about the team.
  4. peplaw06

    peplaw06 That Guy

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    Last I heard Francona was going to tell them that he didn't want the team to pick up his option.
  5. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

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    Francona isn't that great of a manager because he's missed the playoffs way too often for a team with the 2nd highest payroll in the game. I'm actually sad to see him go because as a Yankees fan, I never thought he was worth his salt.





    YR
  6. Hostile

    Hostile Tacos are a good investment Zone Supporter

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    Come home to Tucson Terry. We'd love to have you help us get Spring Training teams back here where they belong.
  7. Sam I Am

    Sam I Am Unfriendly and Aloof!

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    Yeah, he especially sucked when Francona and company forced the worst playoff collapse in Major League Baseball History on the Yankees in 2004. You remember. Down 0-3 in a 7 games series only to sweep the Yankees in the final four games.

    That and two World Series rings isn't worth a salt. Especially when they hadn't won one since 1918.

    Sometimes you say say some interesting and well thought out stuff. Other times...not so much.
  8. Stautner

    Stautner New Member

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    Why would a Yankee fan want the Sox to get rid of a manager that isn't very good?
  9. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

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    I said...I'm *sad* to see him go.







    YR
  10. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

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    Francona didn't do much in the first world series team that really...Grady Little or Jimy Williams couldn't have done.

    In fact...they were looking like they might not even make the postseason. What was really ironic about that team is that they were built around Sabremetrics and it almost destroyed their shot at the playoffs. Then they went the anti-Sabremetrics route by picking up Doug Mientkiewicz, Orlando Cabrera and Dave Roberts and then deciding that Mark Bellhorn shouldn't be batting 2nd, regardless of his OBP.

    There's a reason why the Red Sox are not worried about this.

    The odds of making the playoffs with the payroll they have is extremely high. But, they've managed to miss the postseason in 2 of the last 3 years. That's not acceptable to their organization or their fans. Nor should it be. If Girardi had that happening to him, I'd want him out of NY.

    I can understand not winning the WS, but not making the postseason 2 of the last 3 seasons?

    You realize they had a *historical* collapse as well?

    The problem is that you obviously have this immense hatred for the Yankees as noted by your 'embarrassed' thread you started and well...made you look completely foolish. Maybe it's you that don't think things out so well from time to time...






    YR
  11. Stautner

    Stautner New Member

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    sorry, I read glad instead of sad.
  12. Risen Star

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    It'd be a bad move, IMO. A knee jerk decision to the late season collapse.
  13. Rogah

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    Well they didn't exactly fire him, they just chose not to pick up the remaining options on his contract. Fact is Terry Francona wanted to leave Boston. And when the manager tells ownership he wants to be free to leave, they really don't have much choice other than to let him go.

    Now the question is why did he want to leave? Is it because of a rift with ownership/management, or simply because of the oppressive Boston baseball culture? IMHO, probably a bit of both.
    Well, that's easy to say in general but pretty tough when you have to give specifics. What should they have done to shake up the clubhouse? Cut the team's 2 worst performers? Maybe. But cutting Crawford would cost $120 million while cutting Lackey would cost a much more reasonable $40 million.
  14. Rogah

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    Francona is a fantastic manager for reasons that cannot be quantified and have nothing to do with (to borrow a term from football) on field X's and O's.

    Unless you've actually lived there, you have no idea what the Boston baseball media is like. Anything this team does makes local headlines. It's all the local population cares about. Football is king in all parts of the country, but in Boston it's just an offseason distraction before pitchers and catchers report. I remember December of 2003 the Patriots are in the middle of winning 15 in a row en route to their 2nd Super Bowl Championship and literally the only subject you would ever hear on local sports radio was the possibility of the Red Sox getting A-Rod.

    Terry Francona entered that atmosphere and kept a lid on all of the team's internal issues, player squabbles, etc, etc. I cannot overstate the importance of a manager who is able to take small little issues and keep them in house instead of allowing them to dominate local headlines as was so often the case before he arrived.
  15. Biggems

    Biggems White and Nerdy

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    I see him going to the White Sox.....though, I would love for the Astros go after him....
  16. Alumni2k11

    Alumni2k11 Old Dominion University (Class of 2011)

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    The move shocked me. Interested to see who they replace him with.
  17. Biggems

    Biggems White and Nerdy

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    They can have the Astros GM and Manager and $1 million in cash to sweeten the deal

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